Even if they do, why would you air an industry's dirty laundry like that for the whole world to see? I would like a logical explanation what was the point of posting this.
Exposing log book tricks
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by jlkklj777, Jan 1, 2008.
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That was 22 years ago.
It was then, this is today We drivers are not smart of bookkeeping we have give our values a way to companies and control to our government. It is possible to gain back that what was ones in drivers pride and joy, driving and serving others in right price. Need to do some hard calculation of what is best to driver and right price of that service. Not by mile but time and service rendered.scottied67 Thanks this. -
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Just think. If you otr drivers were paid by the hour, none of this would be happening. Drivers run illegal to make more money. I don't know how you do it. I would think that if you had to run illegally, to make a buck, it's just not worth it. Yet you do and are forced by the companies to do so. Yes it is a vicious cycle that will repaet itself over and over until you do something about it. You say that that companies will find others to deliver product if you won't or can't. If all of you ran legal, who would these companies turn to. There would be no one. You cause your own problems. Learn how to fix it.
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The answer to your question is very simple. Exposing the dirty secret side of anything is the first step to changing it. As long as these "tricks" were and are used we will be expected to violate the hos. If you do it once (violate the rules) you will do it again. The cops and DOT already know all these tricks and then some. The only ones that don't are the politicians, the general public and newbies to the industry.
I did take the time to offer the potential ramifications of falsifying your logbook so drivers will hopefully think twice about it. As a former driver trainer I have spent alot of time mentoring new drivers directly and indirectly. My goal was to prepare my guys for this life style and make sure they knew what "some guys" did to make more money AND what will happen in the event of an accident and their book is wrong.
My hope is that we will have some new regulations imposed and that will lead to better pay and benefits for us all. It is truly sad that a driver feels compelled to run more than 11 hours per day just to make enough money to pay his bills. I would like to see the entire industry upgraded from the "unskilled worker" category to skilled professional that is entitled to time and a half after 40 hours plus decent benefits.slabrunner and nick2008 Thank this. -
Start with the driver.
Its no good starting at the top Its like a wall you can knock bricks of the top and over time they get replaced. If you take out the bricks at the bottom it will eventually fall and have to be replaced.
Yes I am in the UK and I know that you (and I dont mean any disrespect in this) are still using an out of date and old method.
To be an O/O in your country as I understand it all you need is
a. Truck
b. Insurance
c. CDL
d. Tags
In europe your required to sit an exam a CPC = Certificate of Profesional Competence.
With out that you cannot run a business with transport.
The exam ensures that the Operator understands the law. also how to work out running costs, standing costs, Heath and saftey and a load more.
The regulations are tighter and in the next few years each driver will have to undergo adittional training and thats called a CPC(D) driver
quiet a lot of it will be usefull but some will be pointless. This will take 7days (38) training over or in a 5yr period and its on going so you have to keep refreshing everything EVERY 5 YEARS.
and guess who pays for it yep the driver unless his Co will do the training oh and if you dont pass you lose your entitlement to drive. -
For example, I delivered in Dallas TX this morning at 7AM, empty by 8AM, and immediately dispatched to Houston, TX to pickup a load. It was 11 am, and I was still in Dallas !!! Rush hour(s) traffic...... Finally arrived to Houston at around 3:30PM, loaded and left around 5PM. Do I have to say these two words again ???
RUSH HOUR
At the end of my 14 hours I was at Flying J in New Caney, TX. So, now I have a choice....Do I go off duty with 270 miles driven for today, or, do I use my creativity, and try to make some money so I can feed my kids?
Well, I had a good night sleep, didn't fuel, didn't use any toll roads, wasn't pulled over for inspection, wasn't stopped by the cop, my BOL's weren't time stamped....So, really, there was no record of when I really left Dallas, when I really picked up in Houston, and how many hours I really have driven. In a perfect world it is 4.5 hours drive, in a real world, I made less than a minimum wage....Since food, bills and mortgage payments are not optional, I drove another 250 miles, so I can tell a guy on welfare that I actually made more money than him today
It's just too bad that dispatchers and customers live in a perfect world
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Miakica, you said brother. Excellent post.
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Ok Finnjet, you star us off. Are you willing to put on a line your house, all possessions and family??? We are expandable...and unless chab=nges come from the top, our politicians, company owners, shippers, recievers and the public, we don't stand a chance. Do you think Johnny Q Public is going to support us if his orangers go from 3.99 per bag to let say 7.99??? etc. etc. etc. you get the point. Allowing drivers to run legal and make a decent wage means higher cost to all and that my friend our politicians are not ready to do. I know real life can be brutal but those are the facts.
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