1995 W900L brakes hard in bobtail. HELP!

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  1. greaseburner

    greaseburner Light Load Member

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    ok, i have a 1995 W900L converted into a quad axle dump truck.

    There is a sticker on the dash that says the following;

    Caution
    Vehicle equipped with brake
    proportioning system
    increased brake pedal effort
    may be required when braking
    under bobtail conditions

    It takes almost a full pedal push to get the back brakes to engage and when they do, it's right now!

    The following is what we have done to try and fix and the problem was there prior to doing anything and here is what I know, .The foot valve is the same part number as a foot valve in a 1997 factory single maxi and a 2004 single maxi, so based on that, it isn't the foot valve.

    I removed the dual maxi's and replaced with a single. orange and green as supply, yellow as delivery.

    Removed the johnny bar hook ups..Plugged the supply line at the manifold in the dash.

    Removed the 2 little silver valves from the back of the foot valve. Thought these were the proportioning valve mentioned in the little sticker on the dash.

    Dealer doesn't have a clue, neither do any of the local ruck shops.

    Hope someone on here has a clue..... Lol.
     
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  3. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    As a dump trucker I want brakes right now.

    Do you have a air application gauge? Can you tell us how much PSI you are applying to the system? And if there is a drain on the Secondary or Primary supply?
     
  4. kwswan

    kwswan Road Train Member

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    It's normal for that year model truck. You can get two dummy glad hands & hook to the lines to the trailer when bobtailing,push the buttons in & they will work normal.
     
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  5. 71int

    71int Bobtail Member

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  6. greaseburner

    greaseburner Light Load Member

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    That ship has sailed.

    There has to be valves or a valve that is regulating this, somewhere. about the only thing that is left as far as i can tell would be the brake valve right before the rear ends on the inside frame rail on drivers side (i think).
     
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  7. greaseburner

    greaseburner Light Load Member

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    don't know off hand, will go check.
     
  8. greaseburner

    greaseburner Light Load Member

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    just called one of the drivers, he said 120 psi...... doesn't know what tank it is pulling from. i can get a better handle on that question tomorrow. I will give a follow up.
     
  9. 71int

    71int Bobtail Member

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    Bobtail brakes increase pressure on front brakes and reduce pressure on rear until a certain pressure is reached and full pressure then full goes to back brakes. When (on tractors) trailer air is supplied to trailer normal pressure is supplied to rear brakes and reduced on front brakes.
    When pulling large trailer with electric brakes instead of my dropdeck I block trailer air supply line and push in trailer air supply line.
     
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  10. 71int

    71int Bobtail Member

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    kwswan
    sorry saw your post after I poster. I type slow
     
  11. greaseburner

    greaseburner Light Load Member

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    Yes, correct, now the question at hand is how does one eliminate that aspect?

    the other thing is we keep breaking front brake drums.....
     
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