Double Trailers; Heavier Trailer before Lighter Trailer 23 CFR

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by moloko, Mar 19, 2017.

  1. GasHauler

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    Having a compartment loaded or partially loaded is the same as if you had some freight on the back of your trailer in a Semi. Not an ideal condition but with a tanker it sometimes can not be avoided. Moloko, my I ask who did your training? ARCO has a great record of safe driving. On top of all our own training the company also brought in the Smith System and they bought the rights (or something along those lines) to the system so we could implement the program year round. Safety was our number one goal and we worked those keys into our driving and at the end of the year the records showed an improvement.

    You should ALWAYS have the right to refuse a load if you feel it's unsafe. That's in every condition and situation. I really don't know if I would have driven that truck. When it was first explained I pictured Interstate driving and not that far. I have driven with the last compartment full and the rest of the truck empty. But with our trucks and the way their were set up I never felt the set getting out of shape. A small wiggle but very small. Plus we had ABS that worked on all the truck and not just the tractor.

    It's a good topic to talk about at a monthly safety meeting. What's written and what's real world I'm sure would be discussed at length. That is if you can have meaningful meeting.
     
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  3. Cat sdp

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    Sounds like he doesn't have a job anymore....never mind a meeting to go to.
     
  4. moloko

    moloko Road Train Member

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    I'm well-qualified my good man. I kindly told that employer to get bent and lined up a better position, that actually respects their drivers.
     
  5. moloko

    moloko Road Train Member

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    Thanks for your input. I shouldn't drop the employer's name directly on here. But they are probably #1 as far as a common carrier in California and maybe even Nevada.

    In addition, I felt the load was unsafe for reasons outside of the load itself. For example, the raining conditions. The time of night, and low visibility--which was a concern of mine, for OTHER drivers. It wasn't pouring-down rain, it was the drizzling type of rain that is just enough to make the roads slick. Combined with the fact that there were no truck routes to my destination outside of a major freeway, which was winding, curving, and hilly, I just didn't want to drive the trailer loaded with the truck empty, in those conditions. It's contrary to my original training, to what is written in the DMV handbook, and contrary to what most of my coworkers would tell me. Would I have survived it? Yeah, probably. But I didn't want to take the risk.

    I just want to clarify, I didn't refuse the load outright. I just took about 90 minutes longer than the dispatcher wanted. Ultimately, all product was delivered and our customer's needs were satisfied. It required about 20 more miles of driving, and a little bit of backtracking. But I didn't outright refuse the load.
     
  6. Cat sdp

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    Then let it go and move on... Seems like your trying to build a case against your old employer.

    Which is fine. I hate big companies as much as anyone.
     
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  7. moloko

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    So, I'm going to keep this conversation constructive and on point to the original ideas as presented in the first post.

    If I was trying to build a case, I wouldn't be consulting truckers report for legal advice. I'm not sure if any of us are qualified to assess a legal case. That's not the spirit of this post. What I am seeing consistently, is affirming my suspicion: It is more dangerous than ideal conditions. It can be done in theory, but it is up to the driver's discretion to use their judgement and consider all factors. And: In some states, it is flat out illegal. So that's where I'm going with this.
     
  8. Big Don

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    Seems to me like a legitimate direction to go with your thread! Hell, somebody might actually learn something from it.
    Glad to see you told them to pound sand, and now have a better job!
     
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  9. moloko

    moloko Road Train Member

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    Edited all of this out, too long and off track. What about those improperly-loaded trailers.
     
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  10. mnmover

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    Actually when loaded to gross weight, the rear trailer can scale slightly more weight than the front one as the converter dolly axle can scale more net weight, as it is lighter than the rear axle of the tractor empty. Both trailers must be loaded just so for this to work.
     
  11. moloko

    moloko Road Train Member

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    Exactly my belief. For example, the front trailer's max capacity is generally 4,000 gallons. The rear, is 5,000 gallons. I think, that still keeps the proportions equal to or less than the 20% threshold. However, if you were hauling 9,000 gallons of fuel, it is illegal and overweight in any case, at least in my state. Erring on the side of caution, one would generally haul 8500 to keep weight requirements in check. And on that note, it would be :

    |1800 || 900 ||1800 || > || 4,000 || , if you look at those numbers and picture the respective tank compartments. The little ">" represents the dolly dividing up the trailer.. I still don't think the rear weight is approaching that 20% or over threshold, which is prohibited in so many states.
     
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