Tractor Protection Valve

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  1. k2x5

    k2x5 Bobtail Member

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    Hey, I'm new around here just wanted to ask a question for those with a good knowledge of the Air Brake systems in their trucks... I apologize if I've placed this question in the wrong location.

    This is a pair of diagrams from the locally distributed Air Brake Handbook (Government):
    AirBrakes_Diagram.png

    The question I have is whether the Tractor Protection Valve pictured is inverted... It looks like a TP-3 style Protection Valve to me; which would mean that based on the above diagrams, they are running the Service side through the Emergency ports.

    Here's a cut-away of a TP-3 style TPV:
    TPV_TP-3.png
    The way this image shows the unit, the following are the ports:
    1 - Trailer Emergency
    2 - Tractor Emergency
    3 - Trailer Service
    4 - Tractor Service

    My understanding of the basic function - Emergency line (2 > 1 above) receives air pressure while the Trailer valve is open (Supplying air) on the dashboard, it pushes down the internal plunger which allows service air to flow from 4 > 3 when the service brake is pressed or the spike is activated. If the trailer breaks away or the trailer valve is closed (Not supplying air), the air pressure between the dash valve and ports 1 & 2 above falls too low and the plunger resets back to the above position, blocking the flow of service air so you don't dump your tanks.

    I'm just looking to find out whether I'm reading this diagram wrong - if I've completely lost my marbles here by all means please set me straight! :)
     
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  3. allan5oh

    allan5oh Road Train Member

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    Your red button "trailer supply" protects the system from a pressure loss. The trailer breaking away or losing your red glad hand connection does NOT cause the red valve to pop. It may take some while for the loss of air pressure to be enough for the red valve to pop.

    Once it does pop you are correct as described, this causes no air pressure in the red emergency/supply side. The valve at the back of the cab then shuts off the blue "service" side. Think of the rear valve as a slave to the red button.
     
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  4. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    Yep. Red button (trailer supply) is what protects your tractor air supply in the event of a trailer supply line break. The only purpose of the tractor protection valve you pictured is to stop air from flowing out your tractor service line when you step on the brakes bobtail. Its basically a pilot operated shutoff valve actuated by trailer supply line pressure.
     
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  5. Toomanybikes

    Toomanybikes Road Train Member

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    The OP appears to be correct in his description of the tractor protection valve. In the diagram the spring on the valve should be towards the service side of the system. A small detail in the diagram but the OP seems correct.

    The tractor protection valve is so named because it does indeed protect air pressure. As we all know it can be some time after the service line is opened until the trailer supply button pops. In a situation where the trailer emergency line is broke, air pressure must be conserved in order to operate a vehicle safely off the road. Once air pressure is dropped, by a line break for example, on the emergency side of the trailer protection valve the service side of the trailer is cut off. This conserves air pressure to allow a tractor to be operated until it is safely stopped off the road should an emergency line break or trailer become disconnected.

    There is a short time after the trailer air supply pops and the tractor parking brake pops. If no attempt is made to conserve air pressure, a drive may not have the time to safely move a disabled tractor off the road. Hence the tractor protection valve.
     
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  6. Moparjoe

    Moparjoe Light Load Member

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    If i have a tractor converted to a dump truck can i eliminate this valve?
     
  7. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    You don't have to do anything. It only functions when the red button is pushed in anyway.
     
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  8. Moparjoe

    Moparjoe Light Load Member

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    Im having issues with the rear brakes locking up it has a bp-1 relay proportioning vqlv3.
     
  9. Huddly

    Huddly Bobtail Member

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    Did you get this issue resolved? I'm having similar issue. It seems like only the yellow knob is working properly. Kind of curious if the dash valve can half break?
     
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  10. Oldironfan

    Oldironfan Road Train Member

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    You may have bad brake Chambers and they may have the spring in them broken or the diaphragm is bad and the spring is just sprung.
     
  11. Huddly

    Huddly Bobtail Member

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    With winter and ice here I'm having a hell of a time. The drives with the spring brake locked up on me. After a day and a half of heating valves up and running alcohol through the compressor line the yellow park brake decided to act normal. Even though the temp hasn't been above freezing. It's weird. Drove the truck home after the poark brake released. But now when I push the trailer valve in, there should be a mass flow if air coming out the red glad hand but there's nothing.
     
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