TACU, and other groups...

Discussion in 'Truckers Strike Forum' started by Cynical Driver, Oct 12, 2008.

  1. kittykat

    kittykat Light Load Member

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    First of all our truck and trailer are paid for, free and clear.
    Now our home is not, when you grow up and are capable of understanding life in the real world which falls way beyond a video game. Or being brave because you gave up a movie. then you will understand. So get pissed off, and get over it........
    driver's are citizens, it's a job. now with that being said.
    Truckers And Citizens United ,and other's..
    I can't speak for them, I'm sure they would be glad to respond to your questions.
    now I don't call you cold or uncaring, I call you foolish, and my eye's are wide open.
    What have you done?
    Anything at all ah yes gave up a movie that's right.
    I would also like to point out you are double talking.
    and something else you don't know me. But I have been very active in our fight.
     
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  3. SilverSurfer

    SilverSurfer Bobtail Member

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    Don't confuse me with TACU. My brother and I had attempted to assist them last spring and stepped away - for reasons I will not insult this forum by listing. We have been promoting everyone to get to the polls and fire every incumbent in the house and 33 in the senate.

    Because of this forums rules about links, or direct information about other sites - I am unable to post any reference to my site. But I will say this in hopes I am not breaking any forum rules...google "Clean House In Congress"...that is who I am. Please do not confuse me with actions by TACU, or others which are contrary to getting to the polls. I will give my support to anyone which stands up and speaks out, but this does not mean I am in agreement with the action they are chooseing to take.


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  4. SilverSurfer

    SilverSurfer Bobtail Member

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    Amazing...nothing changes when it pertains to the younger generation thinking the older generation is being all high and mighty. Young'n, you see the forest - this is true - but you're unable to see the trees from the forest. You make good points in your statement, but close it out with an ignorant one. You say "wouldn't it be great if congress could actually do something"...I say wouldn't it be great if American citizens would actually understand our constitution and excercise our control over congress to get something done.

    You see...CynicalDriver...there are many lessons which must be learned through life (one of them being respect for others.) As a whole, yes my generation has made some serious mistakes. But there are many of us well aware of these mistakes even before they became reality. You need to learn to identify the difference.

    Your post gives one the impression you believe the president is the most important factor this Nov. 4th. I say Congress is the most important issue to deal with this election day. Congress has always been, and will continue to be, the problem...and until we understand this as a nation and act to change this - nothing will change no matter who becomes president. With all your infinite wisdom, CynicalDriver...can you tell me why I am making this statement? Do you truely understand our political process and the manipulation being perpetuated by our congressional leaders? Also, do you understand the theory behind the "wasted vote" statement?..our politicians do.

    Oh, and jobs are being lost not due to NAFTA, but due to our nation having the second highest business tax rate in the world. NAFTA is an issue, but it's not the reason for thousands of jobs being sent overseas/out-of-states.


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  5. kittykat

    kittykat Light Load Member

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    Cheers Silver Surfer, point well made....Vote Americans
    American clerks, American teachers, American drivers.
    It's about the only right we still have left. And for that matter who know's how much longer that will be?
     
  6. Cynical Driver

    Cynical Driver <strong>"Eternal Cynic"</strong>

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    I have slowed down! I don't go like a bat out of heck to get someplace 5 minutes earlier! Thats a MAJOR change that most people fail to even try and accomplish. I also said that I gave up more than movies, stop picking at tiny things. You missed that I don't have credit card debt, and that I didn't drive the greatest cars. I once had a 1985 Nissan Pulsar, which had a giant rust hole in the driver's door, but it did the job!

    Here's some life for ya: At one point in my life I had to stay at the Salvation Army. They run a homeless shelter, in case you didn't know that. So don't sit on your pedestal and tell me that I don't know the real world! I do know it, and all the harsh realities in it! I however, did not accept what most others would have done. I decided to get off my ### and change MYSELF, so that I could get a better job, and make a better life for myself.

    I MADE a job for myself! So anyone that says it's impossible is lying. Is it difficult? Of course it is, but nothing worth having comes without struggle. Nobody is entitled to anything.

    Also, if your truck is paid for, then why in the world are you having a hard time? If my truck was paid off, then that would mean an extra $2000 a month in my pocket. You should be able to do just fine working just about anywhere. Landstar will give you 75% since you own your trailer too.

    Again. Do you really NEED all the expenses at the house? I don't have a pool, ATVs, multiple cars, cable TV, or anything else people would consider "fancy." I don't care about the Joneses.

    I drive a nice car NOW, because I bought smart and got a used one. Why pay $16,000 for a brand new Ford Focus, when I could have a 2002 Saab 9-5 for $10,000? The Saab has a turbo, leather interior, climate controls, power everything. It's not what you buy, it's HOW you buy it.

    My point has been this whole time, that people need to take accountability for the things they are capable of changing, rather than expecting the world to fix it for them. Control your habits, control your spending, and everything else falls into place.
     
  7. Cynical Driver

    Cynical Driver <strong>"Eternal Cynic"</strong>

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    We think you are being high and mighty because YOU TREAT US LIKE WE DON'T KNOW CRAP!!!!!!!!! You have missed, that with all the education you've paid for, you have raised a generation that is more intelligent than ANY to come before it. Sadly, you have also raised a generation of apathetic lazy people who value money and things, over morals and people.

    Your generation is NOT above reproach.

    Congress gets nothing done, because they spend most of their time arguing over which party is better. They get that opportunity because people keep voting on party lines. They keep voting on party lines because they do not WANT to take the time to research things.

    I keep trying to get people to go vote for the person they honestly think is best, despite which party they may or may not be a member of. You focused on the last statement, but did not take the time to ponder the one above it. Try again.

    You are the pot calling the kettle black sir. You said the same thing I did, with more words.

    I keep talking about accountability. If it's not everyone's fault, then why do they keep voting for the same people, with different names?

    I never said the President means everything, I used that election as an example, because if I started talking about independent local, and state officials, or even US Congressman, most people wouldn't know the names I was saying, or care enough to look them up.

    The president is mostly a figurehead, but they do matter. The President can set the tone for Congress. They accomplish this with PROPER use of the veto.

    "I am vetoing this bill because it has a lot of unrelated earmarks."
    Interesting that none of the Presidents say that very often. The President CAN affect change, IF they do it right.

    Once again, you are assuming that I have no knowledge or care of the subject simply because of age.

    There is no such thing as a wasted vote my friend. I'll use Ron Paul as an example. I ran across scores of people who said, and I quote...

    "I really like Ron Paul, but he can't win, so I am voting for ..."

    If all those people voted for Ron Paul, then maybe, just maybe, he could have succeeded. We will never know, because they voted for the guy they thought "could win." THAT IS WRONG! It only encourages the same things to continue.

    Now, before you say it, I am not a Ron Paul supporter. I liked some of his ideas, but he tends to be a little too extreme with a lot of other ideas.

    And you call me the ignorant one? Do you know what NAFTA did? Do YOU understand the purpose behind a Tariff?

    Taxes can not be the thing to blame, because these companies keep their headquarters here, and still get taxed on their profits. They move call centers to India because it's cheaper to pay them, than it is to pay us. They move manufacturing plants to Mexico, because even AFTER paying for shipment, it's cheaper to produce things at their MUCH lower labor rate.

    Without NAFTA, these companies would have to pay an import tax. The import tax made the cost of production balanced, when compared to producing it here. So if it cost $10 to produce a widget in the US, it would only cost $2 to produce it in Mexico. However, when they shipped it into the US, it would have a $6-$7 tax added on to it, which made it cost MORE to produce in Mexico, after shipping costs.

    I will agree, NAFTA has nothing to do with call-center, and data processing jobs moving over seas. There's no import tax on a phone call.

    Lowering taxes will simply allow the corporations to keep more of their money that they make off of foreign labor, because when the jobs moved south, the prices didn't.

    Little bit of irony: Companies moved operations south, or over seas. Costs of labor dramatically fell. The cost to consumer did not go down, which increased their profit margin. The new higher amount of profits caused the amount of money paid in taxes to go UP. All without increasing taxes on corporations.

    Wait, nobody thinks in terms like that, they only see tax cut, or tax increase, rather than tax BASE.
     
  8. SilverSurfer

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    CynicalDriver...

    You did not answer my questions, which I pretty much expected. Once again you make some valid points, but you're not seeing the trees from the forest. And you are still not identifying the difference between those of my generation which were part of the problem and which were not.

    Congress is the problem - congress is where our attention should be. Until we deal with this current corrupt congress...we'll never see the true change America is looking for.

    NAFTA and Tariffs are two completely different issues. The majority of our jobs are not being lost to Mexico or Canada...they're being lost to European and Asian countries. Reason?...lower business tax rates. You may want to take some time and completely research what you are trying to debate about. I understand NAFTA, Tariffs and the lost of American jobs to foreign markets.

    You have a lot to learn still. Tax cut, tax increase, tax base...you truely do not understand the nature of this beast. We are allowing our congress to destroy our economic stability, and at the rate they are going...there will be no tax base. Especially if "share the wealth" Obama gets into the oval office and we allow this current congress to remain. This will be a mistake YOUR generation will allow if y'all don't pay closer attention to what the h3ll's going on. Socialist agenda's are on the horizon, and we - as a nation - have one last chance to stop this.


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  9. kittykat

    kittykat Light Load Member

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    We have(WORKED) very hard many long years to have what we do and did have.10 more years left to pay on our house, And a chance now to lose it like many other hard working people in our Country which is failing by the basic screw up or our Gov.
    yes we did have a boat sold it, Know we don't drive a new car. Telling me at one time befor the collaspe of our econmy that you lived in the salvation army is nothing to cheer about. It tells me at your age you had a problem. And now you are over it. Good For You. So now I would assume you will lease your truck on with Landstar?
    Unless it's a lease/op. or the truck stay's with pumpkin, and you start over again.
    Drive around look at all the empty house's. what happened? why have job after job been lost? If you had or have any real responsibillity (home, family) you would see things (life) for what they are. But you don't!
    Your starting to bore me and I admit I have a very low tolerance to closed mined people who have know clue.
    Good-luck your going to need it.
     
  10. Cynical Driver

    Cynical Driver <strong>"Eternal Cynic"</strong>

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    KittyKat: I have plenty of real responsibility. You do not know me, and to say such things requires personal familiarity. I should not have to give up more of MY money, just because OTHERS have miss-managed theirs.

    SilverSurfer: Again, it was an example. Do you know Julie Lassa? Dave Obey? Thomas Petri? Paul Ryan? I thought not.

    I am AGREEING with you about Congress being the REAL problem. Good lord! Read what i say, before you respond. Also, you never asked any questions, only made points, which I countered.

    Funny how American companies send their jobs overseas, yet Japanese companies create them here.

    The definition of insanity is repeatedly trying the same thing expecting different results... So I a really need to stop. I can see that neither of you will see where I am coming from.
     
  11. SilverSurfer

    SilverSurfer Bobtail Member

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    Well then let's try this again in accordance to your statement of repeatly trying the same thing...
    What is the point you are trying to make? I have re-read your posts and I am truely intrigued and genuinely interested in understanding what it is you are trying to convey.


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