Unsecured load

Yeah some were asking in this thread. I believe you are right about it being 4x. I had an arguement with a guy that I grew up with that has been driving for 25 years while i only have 5 in. He tried to tell me that a 5/16" chain had a wll of 16k. He was hauling loaded containers with one chain in each corner. He wae an idiot in high school and still is

 

I personally thought it was a good story and I understand what you meant you did your job. I've helped load many trucks when I worked fir the crane rental company and all you can really do is shake your head.

 

I said I had spent some time as a tow truck driver, any assumptions that that was the only thing I had done are the fault of whoever was making the assumption.
I don't always see the need to give my entire work history... Lol
I write too much as it is!

 

I have known guys in all parts of trucking and
yes, thats right..... 20 years DOESNT make you a professional. I see guys all the time thats been out here for 30+ years, but act like everyday is their first day on the dam job. Totally oblivious to whats going on around them.

Time doesnt guarantee good experience. Doesnt guarantee squat other than making you older, not necessarily wiser.

If you were considered the top of your class professional, you prolly wouldnt be a door slammer right now. Youd be setting in a position of high demand and in a good spot, that is if you were the genius you have portrayed

 

OK, I had not seen that, I was going off the Handbook, which makes it pretty clear that we can only use the WLL when calculating tiedowns, so I would expect that is also what DOT would work off of, but I also know something I didn't know before, so thank you for helping me get better!

This is from the handbook, page 27, chapter 2, ties the 50% to the WLL not the breaking strength.

I guess that since there is a difference between the two sources of information, it would depend on which the enforcement officer was familiar with, and sadly it leaves a lot of these subjects up to interpretation.

 

What you don't know is that I just moved to a new area because my sister needed help through a serious health crisis.
It took me far out of good areas to get the good jobs, and into an area I didn't have any contacts in.
When she started getting better, I chose a local place that gets me through home every few days, and usually weekends off.
Most of what is hauled up here on Flatbed is lumber, and that just doesn't keep me interested, and so I decided to try something new.

If I really wanted to make as much money as possible, I would move and go back to my specialty of industrial automation and hydraulics, and make $150+ an hour again.
I moved away from my customers though, and there isn't much work like that up here.

But right now, I am recovering from a major burnout with the long move and family situation, and prefer to just drive down long roads in a nice truck.
Sometimes there are more important things than money, and I enjoy learning new things, and not relying on only one possible way to make money.

But through everything else I have done, open deck hauling has always been part of it, or at least not away from it for long.
(most of the industrial automation work was getting called in as a consultant, often between runs at my primary job.)

So my point is that my current job choice was exactly that, a choice of something that interested me and worked with my current life situation, not because it was the best I could get.

 

Hey I've been driving 20 years, look what i have to currently do lol

I have come to a conclusion about your ramblings... You like quoting a book and writing stories but have NFI how to actually do it....

 

You're confusing things again, I'm fully aware of the 50% rule and I'm the one that said you go by working load limit. What I was pointing out among other things I've forgotten was that you were referring to rules applying to the 80 50 50 thing and that refers to breaking strength not working load limit and as drivers we use working load limit. I've never used this "handbook" but I do have the green bible and every time I've challenged a dot cop (and believe me I have done it) they get out the green book, they carry a nice big three ring binder version like I have at the office. So I got mine this morning, it's page 604 in mine 393.102






It's right there sub paragraph (2) working load limit. There is no interpretation between two books THIS IS the book, and it clearly says right there everything I was telling you. I still issue the same question to the whole group, between all of us here we've got millions of miles, thousands of loads, many of them big and heavy, and many dot inspections has anyone EVER been challenged on this rule?

And I'll ask you again since you ignored it twice, how do you square my pipe load scenario? Thousands of pounds setting on 8" total of wood with only straps straight over the load, crisscrossing the country every day and no problem with the dot. We would have to assume that with all those loads some had to be involved in hard breaking situations and remained on the trailer. What you think?

 

I wanted to say again to @m16ty all my ranting and raving has nothing to do with your load on the OP. Your load is not just a load of pipe and should have been handled properly, chained against movement and such this just turned into something totally different, so sorry.