LCV (Long Combination Vehicle Certification
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We don't have a "doubles and triples" endorsement in Ab or Sk (Canada), I have no idea about out east.
I guess I'll have to let them know that we don't have that, like our medical card. In order to be issued and renew a Class 1 license you have to submit a medical, so our Class 1 IS our medical card as well.
The only endorsements we have is A (air brakes), M (motorcycle), S (school bus), and any number endorsement is a learners permit for that class of vehicle, so I have a Class 1AM.
We don't have Hazmat endorsements for our license. It is a separate card and has nothing to do with a C1. -
I just did some googling on that, looks like that lcv is required for everyone operating doubles and triples... And I've never heard of it either. Wonder how common it is in the ltl industry. @MACK E-6 ? Are we missing something here or is this something that most of the industry is missing?
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Then for confusion sake, your airbrake endorsement "disappears" from your class 1 license if you had it with a lower license class and then upgraded to the class 1 (in Alberta). I thought registries was trying to pull a fast one on me to cover up a screw up on their part when they told me that after I upgraded from a class 5 w/air lol.
I didn't realize motorcycle and schoolbus were endorsements. Always thought motorcycle was a seperate license and that schoolbus was included under class 1. Then again I've never had a reason to look into it either. Learned something today.Last edited: Aug 26, 2017
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Err, perhaps it has been awhile since you looked at your licence. An "A" endorsement is for "adequate lenses", which may explain things...

Okay, it's actually a "condition", but conditions and endorsements are listed together. The air brake endorsement is "Q", but it is integral to the Class 1. So, just like our medical, you can't have a Class 1 if you don't have air brakes. A Class 1 covers all motor vehicles except motorcycles, which are Class 6. Therefore, with a 1, 6 on your licence you can drive anything (subject to individual conditions). Each higher Class licence (lower numerically) includes any Class(es) below it, except Class 6.
Yes, there is a school bus endorsement (S), but it is poorly written. The course is only required to be taken within 12 months of being hired, and "does not apply to operators of a school bus while conducting school field trips or other trips unrelated to school activities."
If you really want, you can read more here. So, you can drive a(ny) school bus for year on your Class 1 without "S" endorsement... although I would rather have my testicles squeezed in a vise.
We actually do have a LCV endorsement (V), but it is specific to the Long Combination Vehicle Program in AB, SK, MB, which is managed on a permit basis only. It covers Rocky Mountain Doubles (first trailer 40'-45', second shorter), Turnpike Doubles (both trailers 40'-53') and triples. More information here.
Lastly, I found this guide put out by the CVSA, primarily for U.S. enforcement agencies/officers. It might be a handy thing to have if you encounter a less-informed person.Last edited: Aug 26, 2017
AModelCat Thanks this. -
From the research I did last night, it only applies to doubles/triples that are grossing over 80k. That should make most of the LTL people ok.
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Holy smokes, and I though US laws were screwed up. Looks like just about every Provence has slight differences in the law.
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I didn't know about any LCV card either until last night.
I do know our company won't let anyone pull triples until they have 5 years exp with doubles.
My understanding is that it's only required for triples, Rocky Mountain doubles, and Turnpike doubles. These aren't even legal in every state, and in the states where they are allowed it's only on certain roads. The standard doubles rig of two 28' trailers is legal just about anyplace where no signs prohibit it. -
Yes. And then we get into the weights and dimensions regulations.

Unlike the U.S., Canada does not have a federal regulator or enforcement in a lot of areas. Provinces have a much stronger voice in how the country is run vs. states. We do have Transport Canada, which does have a set of regulations, but it is up to the provinces whether they accept them or not. And there is no federal enforcement of trucking, it is all provincial. -
According to my brother in law and a boss I once interviewed to work for. The lcv has to do with length. I don't remember any discussion about weight from either of them. That was a few years back.
I did a road test for one load of oil. I don't have the lcv.
This is hauling oil with doubles. I'll have to ask the milk haulers pulling doubles.
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