Electronic pre-trip

You don’t have to show anything as long as you log a pre trip

 

Post trip covers that usually if you had a DVIR.. but that is not required anymore unless a defect... you simply put in comments, Pre-trip.

 

As there is both no legal requirement and no paperwork requirement to do a pretrip, yes it's legal.
Just go on duty, and if you really, really want to put in a comment of doing a pti. The do the pti, and start your day.

 

DVIR is no longer required on electronic logs.... This was changed a couple years ago
Unless there is a defect and then yes you can fill out a paper DVIR.

 

DVIR's on ELD's are part of the software,, along with a place for the Mechanic to sign off on..

 

The JJ Keller system allows us to do a DVIR, but very difficult to pull it back up to show anyone. And the other surprising thing we were informed by our Keller rep was the only thing required in the remarks section of the grid is the location at change of duty. Our company policy is to indicate what we did( drop and hook, fuel, pti etc) during a period of on duty, but those comments are not legally required. We found that out when you flip to the Roadside Inspection mode on the Keller system, none of our carefully entered remarks ( fuel, pti etc) show up. So the officer will never see them, just blank spaces like we ignored the procedure. Nor can he ask about them, according to the Keller rep taking care of our account.

 

Only if your company has it setup that way (or you do as a O/O) as it's not required and a paper DVIR is allowed

 

Most of the programs have it build in... If there why not use it instead of paper? If you use paper you still have 13 days to get it to your company, versus the next electronic upload.

 

If there no reason not to use it. OP claimed his did not? So I provided him with the answer to his question wether or not he can use paper