Dry van & refer design question?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Mike_77, Apr 4, 2018.

  1. Mike_77

    Mike_77 Medium Load Member

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    Hello,

    I have a few trailer questions for you guys. First off I've been a company driver for many years and have never really paid much attention to the design aspects of trailers until I started following @Mike2633 work on the history of various trucking companies in the LTL section. His work at times mentions different fleets preferences for various types and brands of trailers. All this got me curious about trailer brands and designs in general so I did some searching around this forum and the web to get an education on the subject. My search results satisfied most of my curiosity but not all, so thought I would ask a few questions here in hopes of rounding out my knowledge on the subject.
    My first question is the following- are refer trailers and dry vans that have exterior siding with horizontal ribs (as seen below) considered a sheet post design?

    Thanks

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    And this Werner dry van

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  3. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    Yes.

    The rivets are a give away.

    The horizontal ribs in a reefer actually serve a purpose of cooling the skin.

    For dry vans, they are as I am told to reinforce the sidewall a bit more because of the internal e-track.
     
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  4. Toomanybikes

    Toomanybikes Road Train Member

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    If you built a post trailer without the ribs it would look as wavy as hell with each post accentuated by the stress it is transferring to outside sheeting.

    Their is no rigidity in the thin flat sheeting, be it aluminum or steel.

    Composite sandwich sheeting has considerable rigidity without the ribbing or corrugating.

    I never hear of cooling the skin. I don't know what that is about. Someone want to point me to any documentation on that.

    And you know I better read Mike's post, sounds good.
     
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  5. Brettj3876

    Brettj3876 Road Train Member

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    Yea @Mike2633 has some good reading material. Days of it actually :D
     
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  6. Mike_77

    Mike_77 Medium Load Member

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    I'm a bit confused by this. Currently Im hooked to what I think is a sheet and post trailer that has flat aluminum external siding with plywood interior liners. The exterior seems flat not "wavy" to me (see picture). As you can see in the pictures one of the trailers has a hole in the interior plywood , so I took my key and scratched the inside of the outer wall to show that it is aluminum.

    What am I missing??
     
  7. Cummins_444

    Cummins_444 Medium Load Member

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    You aren't missing anything that is a sheet and post trailer you are pulling. The other poster is typing out of his butt.

     
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  8. Mike_77

    Mike_77 Medium Load Member

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    Thanks for all your input.

    I just realized at one of my companies terminals they have a old trailer with the axles removed positioned against the shop for parts storage, this old trailer happens to be one of these ribbed sided dry van trailers. It has a hole cut in the side of it to allow access to the trailer from the shop. I took a picture of the part of the trailer wall that was cut, you can clearly see the ribbed siding attached to a post. Picture below.

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  9. Toomanybikes

    Toomanybikes Road Train Member

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    I should have phrased my reply better.

    Uncorrigated post and beam trailers do exist. When they are heavily loaded the do wrinkle and look stressed when loaded heavy. The top edge of the side panels will wrinkle and gather as all the stress is pulling at the lower half of the panels and the lower rail that is in tension.

    The corrugation of the sheet metal adds rigidity to the trailer. Corrugated galvanised iron - Wikipedia
    However, the corrugation is unsightly for some buyers and adds thickness to the walls. Thicker walls take away from the volume inside the trailer since the width of trailer is limited by the DOT. While this is not a limiting factor for almost all loads, most companies would not like to limit themselves in any way in the purchase of their equipment.

    For these reasons, composite sidewalls in dry vans have taken over. They allow high strength with little loaded distortion while having smooth sides and ultra thin walls for most interior volume.

    Corrugation can still be seen in some reefers bought today, where walls are formed post method. It is a given that the walls of a reefer have to be thicker anyway so it is less of a concern.

    Also, stainless walled trailers continue with the corrugation. For one the corrugation reduces the hazard of having a highly reflective surface out in traffic. For another reason, stainless is considerably more expensive then aluminum or painted steel. It is often bought in thiner qualities to reduce costs. The corrugation makes up for the lack of thickness.
     
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  10. HammerTransport

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    This thread intrigued me so I thought I’d add to it and see if anyone has an explanation for me with mine. I noticed the cost to buy a used reefer lately has been a lot cheaper than a dry van. I was looking for a van to haul seed corn with. I purchased a 2013 utility reefer for a decent price and converted it to a dry van by removing the front unit. I like the appearance of a ribbed side better so that was a benefit for me. This trailer has an aluminum corrugated floor and an aluminum roof as well as a mixture of aluminum and steel floor crossmembers. This trailer also has a liner on the inside walls I’m assuming for insulation and I believe it has insulation in the walls as well? I used to pull a utility standard van trailer with smooth sides and steel wheels. Basic trailer. This utility reefer with the unit removed somehow came in lighter than the basic utility van trailer I pulled before did. By almost 1k lbs. of course this I chock up to the amount of aluminum the trailer has. I am however curious if these side panels are also aluminum? I figured steel. The real big kicker I want to address is with this trailer I get better fuel economy average than I ever did with the basic trailer. Do the ribbed sides make a difference for aerodynamics? Any cool information about this trailers design is welcomed.
     

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  11. Siinman

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    I would go with tires more than likely or one has worse bearing adjustment than the other. It will not hurt on aero but not gonna make any difference the you can measure.
     
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