people ask How much, i want to know WHEN do you tax yourself?

Discussion in 'Trucker Taxes and Truck Financing' started by Tripp_84, Jun 24, 2018.

  1. Tripp_84

    Tripp_84 Bobtail Member

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    Been driving for almost 5 years and over the last 12 months i have been looking into doing something more independent and this forum helps a lot as well as youtube but what i cant understand is at what point are taxes considered or deducted? There are a million spreadsheets out there. I just got one from OOIDA site and its an awesome sheet breaking down everything but at no point are taxes mentioned.

    If you pick up a load that pays $4,000, you deliver and they pay you. Do you set aside the taxes off of the 4k or are there expenses that aren't taxable you deduct first and then set taxes aside? In all the spreadsheet they have an entry for what you paid yourself. Most just pick 30k as an example annually. So are you paying taxes on the 30k or taxes on the 145k you grossed? I know its probably more complicated I'm just trying to get a better understanding.
     
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  3. RustyBolt

    RustyBolt Road Train Member

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    I have a separate savings account for tax money. At the end of the week, 20% of the gross goes into that account. It sits there untouched til the tax man cometh. Any excess comes back to me for toys or goes toward the truck fund.
     
  4. 389driver

    389driver Medium Load Member

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    Suggest you consult a tax professional.
    Normally at the end of each year if you own your own business you have to file a schedule c with profit and loss which transfers over to your 1040. If you had to pay taxes one year then you have to make estimated payments quarterly for the next year's tax liability. If you dont you may face a penalty.
     
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  5. kathyegan

    kathyegan Bobtail Member

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    Set up an LLC/S Corp. Pay yourself a reasonable salary, do the withholding on a weekly, biweekly or monthly basis.
    What we usually do is forecast your net income and withhold accordingly. We can help you with all of this.
     
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  6. Scooter Jones

    Scooter Jones Road Train Member

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    I file as an S-corp, as such, I'm an employee of the S-corp.

    I use Quickbooks Pro with the payroll feature set up. I take the same salary every month. Quickbooks calculates the payroll tax related withholdings, including the companies required payroll taxes & contributions.

    Once I cut the check, I open up the payroll liabilities section for taxes due in that given month and I pay it! I have an account set up online with both the State & the I.R.S. I get it out of the way pronto and at the end of each quarter, Quickbooks tabulates, reconciles and creates the quarterly forms for the State & the I.R.S. I print them out, sign them and send them in.

    At the end of the year once I reconcile all the expenses, including depreciation, etc, I usually get a little money back on the W-2's I file.

    I'd rather get a little back, then to owe a LOT on the 15th of April because I didn't pay as I went. Been there, done that in the past in my previous construction related businesses, and believe me it's no fun scrambling to beg, borrow & practically steal to come up with 12k to 15k (or more) of taxes owing.

    For someone reason the State & I.R.S. don't take too kindly to not getting their portion when due ;-)
     
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  7. Oldironfan

    Oldironfan Road Train Member

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    I've saw on a different forum that it is handy to do a monthly profit and loss sheet. Than turn those in at tax time.
     
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  8. Tripp_84

    Tripp_84 Bobtail Member

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    So using the $4,000 example load i mentioned if you had $2100 in expenses (all of your fixed and variables costs) leaving $1900 and paid yourself say $400 into your personal checking account as salary leaving the remaining $1500 in your business account. You would pay taxes on that $400 only?

    I guess the part im struggling with is at what point are we at the "net" part of the income on a weekly invoice. After all the variable and fixed costed are taking care of? Taxes don't need to be paid on the $1500 sitting int the business account?

    I will contact a CPA and do things right and professionally this is more or less me getting a general idea and people here seem to have generally good advice so thanks!
     
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  9. SixShooterTransport

    SixShooterTransport Light Load Member

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    Paying yourself $400 on one load and $XXX on the next isn’t a “salary.” The easiest way to do it is to make yourself a W-2 employee of your S-Corp and pay yourself a fixed weekly salary, plus per diem. The rest stays in the business account until you either use it to pay taxes or write a check from your company to yourself as a quarterly bonus.

    You don’t calculate expenses and taxes on a per load basis. Taxes are calculated based on annual numbers, or quarterly if you’re paying estimated amounts as you go. That’s why paying yourself a set weekly salary is the way to go. Your CPA can tell you what the estimated taxes should be based on your salary, dependents, location, etc.

    For example (random numbers):
    $1,000 weekly salary + $400 per diem = $1,138 to you, $262 in payroll taxes into a separate business savings account, any extra money stays in the business checking account until the end of the quarter when it’s distributed appropriately.

    Make sure you set your salary at a level high enough to pay your personal bills but low enough that you can pay yourself every week even if you don’t work.
     
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  10. Tripp_84

    Tripp_84 Bobtail Member

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    Very helpful thanks!

    "You don’t calculate expenses and taxes on a per load basis.".... that's where i think i was confused but your example helped even more thanks a lot
     
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  11. SixShooterTransport

    SixShooterTransport Light Load Member

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    No problem. This is one of the hardest parts about being an O/O. Not taxes specifically, but the back office stuff that you’re suddenly responsible for.

    Think about it this way... if you worked at McDonalds would you get a separate check stub for every shift you work? Of course not, you’d get one check stub per week with all shifts in that time frame combined. Same concept here.

    Your CPA will most likely recommend that you become an employee of your own company, so you have to think about “You” and “You Trucking, Inc.” as two separate things. You’re literally holding a company check that you signed as “Mr. CEO” in your left hand and passing it to yourself as “Mr. Driver” in your right hand.

    Make sure you keep good records of all transactions and don’t mix money. Personal money is for personal use, business money is for business use. That McDonalds employee I mentioned can’t pay his mortgage out of the cash register, and you can’t pay yours out of the company checking account.
     
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