Buying A Truck....

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by B&T Rogers, Jan 24, 2009.

  1. Brickhauler

    Brickhauler Medium Load Member

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    I would go for the 379 because of what you said, resale value and you said its apparent that whoever had it took good care of it. There are literally 1000's of those ex-company freightliners sitting around that probably have had a new driver every few months, Yuck. Also I would rather have a Cat w/13 sp over a Detroit w/10 sp.
    As long as you have a job lined up for the truck I say go for it. I have been working for one company about 90% of the time for the last 10 years. We get a little slow from the end of Nov until about now and I am out hauling a lot of broker freight. I am glad my regular place is picking up again. Anyone who is depending only on brokers will have a very hard time making it right now. Things are tight these days but if you have a place to work that can keep you busy you will be OK. The only thing I can caution you about is you have to stay away from the dealer shop. If you can't do it yourself, ask around and find a independent guy who knows what he is doing and get a relationship going with him. My experience is that most of the big dealerships have a lot of parts changers working in them and you can eat up a lot of $$$ real quick there and still not get the problem solved.

    I have a friend who is a resturant manager. He has been working in these places since we got out of high school. He is smart about the business and has been pretty successful. I know if he went out on a limb and opened his own he would do well. I know of two places he managed that were failing and he turned them into successful businesses. He worked at a Pizza Hut 20+ years ago and made manager. He took it from the worst store in the district to the best one in less than 2 years. He was making more with his salary and bonuses than the district manager was when he was 24 years old. He is afraid he would not make it so he has spent the last 20+ years wondering "what if?" We live about 1000 miles apart now. Every time I stop in to see him I feel 10 feet tall when I leave, he wants so badly to go out on his own but won't take the step. His wife has a good enough job that she could support the family for awhile if she had to but he just won't do it. I haven't had a real job since I left Kenworth in 1983 and could never go back to one. It sounds like you have thought it out and have been thinging about it for awhile now. Yes, things can get pretty rough sometimes but when things are right, there is no better feeling. Post up another picture later with your name on the side of that Peterbilt and good luck.
     
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  3. B&T Rogers

    B&T Rogers Light Load Member

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    Thanks Brick...
    You are right on the money. I appreciate all the input and information that everyone is throwing this way. I know times will be tough now and then. And like you said it just gives me all the more drive and ambition to run with it. I don't look at it as a gamble , I look at it as a formula with a set outcome, or predicted outcome. I will not use load boards at all. I have a contract lined up with regular freight outbound and inbound to get me back home with minimal deadhead miles. I know that that could change any time , so we are looking at fall back options as well. Thanks Again
     
  4. 2pissedoffdrivers

    2pissedoffdrivers Bobtail Member

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    I am warning you ......Good luck making all payments,taxes,fuel and blah,blah,blah.....

    Do not be surprised when you have no money for you at the end of the week or month....Just a WARNING...

    The rates are not there....
     
  5. B&T Rogers

    B&T Rogers Light Load Member

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    You know the funny thing.... Landstar wont quit calling me and sending me crap, ever since I filed for my LLC... LOL There is no way I would run for Landstar LOL Your right their rates do suck. I Passed on them from day one of contact with them . Oh their nice DVD makes things look all sweet for the O/O but if you look at the numbers they want to pay .. Your Right... you will run for .20c a mile with them . THAT IS WHY I AM NOT LEASED TO LANDSTAR !!! And why I am doing things the logical way... I don't need to be connected with a major name or leased to a major carrier. I don't want their junk freight , I want a fair rate and steady work for my truck. How do you think a big operation like Landstar stays in business?? It stays in Business at your expense... Your making them their money at your expense. I would have parked my truck too if I was leased to them. But thanks for the heads up....
     
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  6. 2pissedoffdrivers

    2pissedoffdrivers Bobtail Member

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    ahhh ok... you are getting your own authority and #'s blah blah blah....and your own wagon correct?am i reading this right....?

    if the answer is yes you just DOUBLE SCREWED YOURSELF....WHY?

    BECAUSE BROKERS AND COMPANIES ARE CUTTING EACH OTHERS THROATS.....

    THEY ARE BIDDING ON FREIGHT FOR 1.00......

    I hope and prey you have 1.80 a mile freight and no deadhead miles to make all your payments and 400 bucks for you after its all said and done...

    it will take all of the 1.80 to run that show down the road...if you don't believe me ask other o/o's who have done this for 30 years
     
  7. Gambino1994

    Gambino1994 Light Load Member

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    B&T Rogers: I like the pete very much. I also started out buying a cheap million mile pete 379 with a cat motor last year. Run it for a year, overhaul it and then your good to go. That way YOU know who did the work instead of assuming.

    I ran construction (short dumpwagon) all spring, summer and fall then word was out about my work ethic and now I have all kinds of dump work this winter; could not be happier.

    Good luck with your business, it sounds like you could be an adaptable business man and therefore be a successful business man. This may not be the answer people want to hear but there is success to be had out there.

    On a side note: I've only ran dump wagons all my life and I always wondered how the "michigan trains" work. Is it determined by axle #'s or length of each wagon or? What can your total gross be? Looks like your in michigan and you wrote that you've worked with them and i figured you'd know.
     
  8. B&T Rogers

    B&T Rogers Light Load Member

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    Michigan’s Policy
    Michigan’s truck weight law is designed to control axle loads instead of gross vehicle weight.
    Research conducted by the American Association of State Highway and Transportation
    Officials, the Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT), and other organizations, has
    shown that pavement damage is directly related to axle loadings, not gross vehicle weight.
    Michigan limits the weight allowed on individual axles, depending upon the spacing between
    them, with a maximum of eleven axles.
    The maximum gross vehicle weight allowed on a “federal-weight-law truck” is 80,000 pounds,
    with four of its five axles carrying 17,000 pounds each. The calculated maximum allowable
    gross vehicle weight on the heaviest “Michigan-weight-law truck” is 164,000 pounds, which can
    only be achieved with the use of eleven properly spaced axles. Most of these axles carry only
    13,000 pounds each.
    It would take two and a quarter 80,000 pound trucks to carry the same cargo as a single 164,000
    pound Michigan truck. Pavement research has shown that these two smaller trucks actually
    cause about 60% more pavement damage than does the single heavier truck, because of their
    higher axle loadings and the extra weight of additional tractors at about ten tons each.
    Use of “Michigan-Weight-Law” Trucks
    In 1995, there were approximately 108,000 commercial trucks registered in Michigan. Of these,
    about 15,000 (14%) were registered to carry over 80,000 pounds. Less than 1% were actually
    registered to carry over 160,000 pounds. Therefore, 86% of trucks registered in Michigan
    actually are no heavier than the standard “eighteen wheelers.” Most trucks operating in
    Michigan are registered in other states or provinces and the vast majority carry no more than
    80,000 pounds. As a result, it is estimated that no more than 5% of all trucks operating in the
    state carry more than 80,000 pounds when loaded.
    While the number of trucks operating under Michigan’s axle weight law is relatively small, they
    are extremely important to certain industries in the state. The primary users of the heavier trucks
    are the manufacturing, mining, forestry, agricultural, and construction industries. Specific
    commodities hauled include steel and metal products, stone, cement, asphalt, coal, petroleum,
    logs and lumber, fertilizer, milk, and some field crops.​
     
  9. alien4fish

    alien4fish Light Load Member

    Mr. Rogers, Take the pete, dont think just do.
    that machine looks to be in fine shape.
    A pete will always have better resale value over a shaker. And you can work on it yerself very owner op freindly
    CONGRATS YOU DUN MESSED UP AND FELL IN WITH REST OF US NO GOOD TRUCKIN TYPES:biggrin_25525:
     
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  10. SheepDog

    SheepDog Road Train Member

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    I am seriously looking into being an IC in about 1.5yrs and this thread has been very helpful in all ways,,,,

    Thanks to all of you...
     
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  11. B&T Rogers

    B&T Rogers Light Load Member

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    :biggrin_25510:
    I want to say thank you ! I have been playing with the numbers and even with my contract it will take at minimum $1.80 per mile to make any money. I stand corrected.... And appreciate you looking out for me.
     
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