O/O Rates

Discussion in 'Canadian Truckers Forum' started by 89diesel, May 2, 2011.

  1. 89diesel

    89diesel Bobtail Member

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    Was a leased op for 15 years for Dallas Transport out of Portage MB, Kleysens in Regina and Shadow Lines, based in Regina also. Did a few things on my own for a while, now been driving for a lil outfit in Calgary for about 5 yrs.

    Decided to buy a truck again the other day, so started calling around. Got a bit of an eye opener! I dont know how guys make it at the rates some companies are paying.

    Kindersley Transport Regina-$1.75/mile including FSC

    Favel Livestock Moose Jaw-$1.85/mile plus FSC

    Duckerings Calgary-$1.50/mile plus FSC

    Sam-X Calgary-$1.17/mile plus FSC

    RPM Motor Freight Langley-$1.60/mile *FSC?

    Companies paying $2-3.00/mile plus FSC of 20-30%:

    Q-Line Saskatoon

    Bogdane Regina

    Shadow Lines Regina

    Weymore Moose Jaw

    Remwan Carriers Calgary

    Looks like I'm going back to flatdecks!
     
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  3. Lockport

    Lockport Light Load Member

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    What kind of fuel sur-charges are you seeing? TL right now should be about $.66 per mile. I am seeing half that at $1.50 base AND it's my own reefer trailer. Needless to say I will be movning from here shortly.:biggrin_25513:
     
  4. 89diesel

    89diesel Bobtail Member

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    Most outfits I talked to are paying the FSC on a percentage basis with about 25% being the average.

    Having the truck paid by percentage of gross seems to work better than paid by per mile basis, when it comes to the FSC. Most companies pay 100% of the fuel to the truck.
    So, say a given load pays $1000.00. If the company is paying 70%, thats $700 to the truck. Plus, the FSC is 25%, but thats on the total $1000. So your total revenue for that load is then $950 to the truck.

    Where as when paid by the mile, they seem to pay the FSC, only on the truck revenue. So, if your truck is getting $1.50/mile. the FSC is 25% of the $1.50 giving you a total of $1.875/mile. The company may be charging $2.00/mile plus 25% to the customer for a total of $2.50/mile, but they are pocketting the extra FSC.

    There is good and bad to being paid by percentage versus per mile. With percentage, you know what the loads pay (if the co. tells you the truth:biggrin_25525:) and sometimes you can choose a load that pays a better rate. It usually pays a little more per load, but doesnt pay for empty miles.

    You know exactly what you're getting for every mile on a per mile rate, loaded or empty. Which is easier to calculate revenue/expense. The drawback is the companies dont like to pay for empty miles so they tend to sit you a lot more if they cant find a backhaul close to your delivery point. While it may be fun sitting in Dallas for 10 days in January, it does get expensive!
     
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  5. Stringlessyoyo

    Stringlessyoyo Bobtail Member

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    try local work by the hrs pays better less fuel home at night
     
  6. Stringlessyoyo

    Stringlessyoyo Bobtail Member

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    try working where there is a fixed pump price
     
  7. Rickzappa

    Rickzappa Bobtail Member

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    any suggestions? looking to buy a new truck again.. go back to the grind pounding pavement
     
  8. Canucklehead

    Canucklehead Medium Load Member

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    Out here in BC, some bucket shop companies will offer you a mighty $1.60 to pull maxed tridems in the mountains. And when you ask them about the FSC, almost all will say it's built into the rate. What's the discount off pump price? Usually 3 to 5 cents. And my own ICBC discount is usually the same or better than most of those companies.

    But beware!!! Some companies will pay for the fuel themselves. But of course, sometimes their fuel card needs to be loaded up and it 3 am. No dispatch, or if there is, nobody there to load the card. So you sit and wait. But then they'll yell at you about the load being late. And of course they tell you that the next time it happens, use your own credit card and they'll pay you back. Don't fall for that. usually you'll see it in 3 months. But by that time they've started stiffing you on pay. So they laugh as you then wait 2 years to take them to court, and most times the company has changed names twice by then.
     
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  9. Canucklehead

    Canucklehead Medium Load Member

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    Don't forget, the numbers shift all over the place, so don't just look at the price per mile, and then do your calculation to arrive at your take-home.

    Almost all companies pay either by mile or percentage of the load. Quite often, it's the percentage that will make you more money. But you have to look at all the numbers in the pay packages. Yes, the cost of fuel and any surcharge and the price at the pump is the king number just after the price per mile. But then you have lots of variables. Some companies have fuel caps, that can save you a lot of money. Let's say the price at the pump is $1.35/liter, but the fuel cap for you is 43 cents. Woohoo, that really shifts the numbers. Some will pay for insurance, which is another monthly chunk of change. Some will pay for plates, again numbers change. Some don't demand an escrow account, which changes the numbers at the beginning portion.

    Some will do all of these, or some of them. each contract is different. So if you're not good with numbers, it's best to find someone who is to take a look and crunch them all for you.

    Bottom line, what you need to know before anything else, is your total running cost per mile for your truck. That means everything that you have to spend money on. From lease payments, to wcb, to repairs, to your mpg, to insurance, to plates, to road taxes, IFTA, etc etc etc. Let's say it's $1.18 per mile. Yes that's an insane number, but it can happen. Trust me, for my last truck, that's what it was, ugh. Anyway, if it's just a straight number like $1.70 per mile, that would be 52 cents per mile after everything else. Might as well just drive a company buggy for 55 cents.

    But then you have the companies that will pay for plates, insurance, and every drop of fuel, and pay direct to you 90 cents per mile into your pocket. But hold on, don't light the fireworks yet. You still have all the costs for everything else to subtract from that number.

    So, if it's a lowball mileage amount, and they don't offer anything else, walk. But if they do, then work it all out.
     
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