Short-Haul On/Off-Duty Compliance Question

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  1. Jan 21, 2019 #1
    haulinasphalt

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    First off, my apologies if this has been asked before. I have searched high and low online trying to find the answers I was looking for well before making an inquiry on this forum.

    I am a short-haul delivery driver with a fixed weekly schedule. I have an on five, off two day schedule, report to the same location every day, currently run my rig about 2-3 times per week and rarely drive up to 8 hours in one day.

    Here lies my question: If I am using paper logs, would time spent loading/unloading my rig with my forklift or even re-fueling be considered on-duty time or off-duty time? If it is to be considered off-duty time, is there any harm in notating my loading/unloading or re-fueling time as on-duty, other than of course, losing precious driving time? I can certainly afford the allotted time, as each delivery is no longer than 15 minutes on average, but I'm worried about being in compliance. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
     
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  3. Jan 21, 2019 #2
    pmdriver

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    If you are doing the work of unloading or loading that is on duty, not driving time which is the same as fueling. If you have the time why push it with the regulators.
     
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  4. Jan 21, 2019 #3
    ZVar

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    Don't know where you have been looking, but it's fairly black and white. It's all on duty....

    eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations

    On-duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On-duty time shall include:
    (2) All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any commercial motor vehicle at any time;
    (5) All time loading or unloading a commercial motor vehicle, supervising, or assisting in the loading or unloading, attending a commercial motor vehicle being loaded or unloaded, remaining in readiness to operate the commercial motor vehicle, or in giving or receiving receipts for shipments loaded or unloaded;
    (8) Performing any other work in the capacity, employ, or service of, a motor carrier; and
    (9) Performing any compensated work for a person who is not a motor carrier.

    2 covers fueling, 5 covers loading/unloading, and 8 and 9 are catch-alls for if you are doing work, but it's not specified in any of the other sections...
     
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  5. Jan 21, 2019 #4
    ebill45

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    How far you run out from the terminal?
     
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  7. Jan 21, 2019 #5
    ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Has no bearing on if he's should log on / off duty while loading. If you are asking about the 100 air mile radius for timecards, you should also ask if he's relived from duty no more than 12 hours from coming on duty. It matters just as much.
     
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  8. Jan 21, 2019 #6
    ebill45

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    It’s 150 miles
     
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    Diesel Dave

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    You are local. Just need start time and end time. If you go over 12 hours , you need to use the log sheet graph.
     
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  10. Jan 21, 2019 #8
    Ridgeline

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    ALL YOUR TIME WORKING IS EITHER ON DUTY OR ON DUTY/DRIVING.
     
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  11. Jan 21, 2019 #9
    dibstr

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    150 amr is non CDL.
     
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  12. Jan 22, 2019 #10
    Ridgeline

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    It is?

    I was told it is under 26,000 gvw, it used to be under 16,000.
     
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