Nonballistic weaponry

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Red Fox, Mar 2, 2009.

  1. Red Fox

    Red Fox Road Train Member

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    On a VERY interesting note in the use of nonballistics, the sensei mentioned the advent of adrenalin. It would seem that when your attacker becomes your victim, in the immediate moment, he is confused, startled, and hurt. His plan just turned to $###.
    Further strikes convince him that he is losing this event and is becoming damaged.
    However, if you restrain the person in a hold, his mentality changes to a panic mode, invoking an adrenalin charge. Now you have a pain-free superman in your grasp and you once again are in trouble. The recommendation for pain-inducing holds was to grasp and release, grasp and release, to keep the mindset of wanting to get away from you.
     
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  3. droy

    droy Heavy Load Member

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    As irnndn very well stated, I, like him am to old, (I am also too fat and out of shape) to get into a wrestling match with some (possibly) drug influenced perp. IF the opportunity presents it self to incapacitate the criminal, then bind him up while waiting on the law, so be it, but in all likelyhood, I will be hoping to resolve this manner in such a way that I can continue my life without harm to MYSELF.

    Red Fox also makes a good point AGAINST trying to simply restraining the perp. This could easily turn deadly for you. In addition, while waiting for the trial, having to "look over your shoulder" for years to come, wondering about the possibility of retalation can be a heck of a mental burden.
     
  4. Mainspring

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    Being that time is no longer on my side, to my mind it needs to end violently and quickly. Grasp it, BREAK IT, then release it and, if necessary repeat. You're right that grasping and holding is a bad plan. Pain compliance only goes so far, and in short bursts presuming that the bad guy isn't cracked out or cranked up. Then pain compliance goes completely out the window. If your mid-section is a wee bit more highly developed than it should be, use it to your advantage. Learn to put all of your weight onto a single locked joint, preferably an elbow, and make the break. Get a good grip on the wrist, turn the thumb down, and keep moving in circles. If you maintain the lead in this little dance, the elbow will eventually lock. But the idea here isn't to hold the lock. The idea is that as soon as the lock is on, use all of your weight to invert that joint and make it unusable without medical attention.

    The thumb-down take down is pretty basic, but requires a mindset of rapidly erupting violence...and a little practice. Some Akido...even an introductory class...would be invaluable. There are worse things than letting go of the steering wheel every once in a while and actually moving our azzes, and if you can learn a little something that can make you safer, well that's gravy.

    Keeping in mind, of course, that unarmed defensive tactics always take a back seat to impact, edged, and chemical irritant defensive weapons. Physical confrontation is a last resort, and unarmed physical confrontation is absolutely an absolute last resort.
     
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    Mainspring Light Load Member

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    Sorry if this is beating a dead horse, but I really can't offer you old timers any trucking advice. This thread, however, is more my thing. So you're stuck with me until this thread dies.

    Here's a little something that may interest some of you self defense oriented types. There aren't any directions listed, but look at this device and think of a bad guy's skin (you pick the location of the skin patch) getting hung up in the grove at the end right before you start twisting. I'd imagine that it could change a bad guy's focus for a moment or two.

    Here's an item that I call a tweener class weapon....somewhere 'tween an impact weapon and an edged weapon. I have one and it closely resembles a show stick used by auctioneers, and so far as I can figure is about indestructible. I've whacked about everything I can think of with it, and it hasn't broke yet. In training, these things hurt like hell. On the receiving end in a real fight when properly deployed it tends to cut like a semi-dull machate...hence my 'tweener designation for it. I've not actually whacked someone with one of these in a real fight, but I've seen the pictures of people who have been, and I know that they hurt like hell when just screwing around. They're easy to stash, and don't look like much...until you're being whacked with one.

    Here's another cool wizzie gizzy that you can read about here http://www.donrearic.com/koppostick.html
     
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  6. MrMustard

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    They broke in on me last year in Gary, In at the pilot. Bashed open my driver's door window, and grabbed everything in reach. My Levi's were laying on the floorboard with my wallet in the back pocket. He got them. Every time I tell this story to another driver, I get the same reaction, "I would have done this, I'd have done that." Bullcrap. The guy cracked open my window grabbed what he wanted, and took off down the street while I layed there wondering what the hell was going on. I woke up to what sounded like hail hitting my roof. That's what I thought it was. It wasn't until I layed there for a few seconds and noticed the breeze coming through the broken window when I realized what happened. By that time, the guy was long gone.
     
  7. Red Fox

    Red Fox Road Train Member

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    Mainspring: that meat eater is a BAD boy! Heheh, it's also a kubotan. The koppo sticks I believe would be illegal in some areas due to overzealous LEO's and length. I think they require a lot more training too.
    I recall those little spring things with a handle; what were they called?
    Thanx to Mr Mustard for an awakening of sorts: we shouldn't leave anything on the front porch a snatch and run can grab. I know booby traps are illegal, but I almost think we should start a thread on them or discuss ideas here. Far as I'm concerned, you just broke into my house: how is it MY fault that this truck I picked up has something wrong with it and the inverter was wired to the door handle? :biggrin_25525:
     
  8. Mainspring

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    He he he. :biggrin_2551:


    I think I'm going to get one of those Meat Eaters to play with. If it were a little longer it may have more uses. A "T" handle wouldn't hurt, either...at least not if you were on the right end of it. :biggrin_2553:
     
  9. Red Fox

    Red Fox Road Train Member

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    I'm thinking of cutting a slot in the end of my kubotan now.
     
  10. wmterry89

    wmterry89 Bobtail Member

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    what about a crash axe. swing it, throw it, thrust it, theyre reasonably short(compared to a regular axe) so you could get a decent swing on it in the cab, and it would be easy to explain why you have it...it's a crash axe. just keep the invoice or something you get with it just in case they still dont believe you.
     
  11. Red Fox

    Red Fox Road Train Member

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    Ha! Coming soon - "Axemodo Kwon Do" training...the deadly martial art of sleeper fighting.
     
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