Is this right?

He is having you log off duty to preserve hours to your 70 hour clock. Yes the. Lick resets because you have had more than 30 minutes off duty. So that satisfies your 8 hour break requirement.
No it is not legal. No two ways about that.
But he is showing you, how things work in the real world. As opposed to how they work on paper. Call safety dept and complain. If he isnt a total dirt bag the company wants to fire. What will happen is safety will call him, ask about YOUR complaint. Then either take you off truck. (Now your training starts all over again with a new trainer) Or you will spend the next 10,000 miles with a pissed off trainer (wouldn't you be pissed at the guy who tried to get you fired?) who has to sign off on YOUR paper work. Welcome to trucking, with all that crying you sound like an experienced guy.
Try talking to the guy, first. Tell him your concerns and ask him why he does things the way he does.
I trained half a dozen guys back in the early 90's. I dont have the tolerance or patience to do it today.
Good luck it ain't for everybody.

 

Yeah off duty us for off duty time. But it will destroy your 70 hour clock if u spend 4 hours tarping something and log it all on duty . flatbed will burn ur 14 hr clock everyday , i would,never incriminate myself but lets just say my logbook looks the other way sometimss if its taking me awhile to secure and tarp.. Drop and hook should be logged on duty, dealing with paper works and customers should always be logged on duty. If u get in a accident and they go look at ur check out time and check in time and see u logged off duty when checking in , guess whos bending over for a dot ### raping it sure as hell aint ur trainer.. U got to cover ur ### out here. I log enough time to cover my ### at the shippers and recievers , if u pull thru a scale with a bad ### tarp job that obviously took awhile and they check ur logs and it shows 15 minutes , well thats a little fishy... Just make sure to cover ur ### , alot of thebjob out here is not about driving but is more about being able to manage your logbook and that pesky 70 hour clock.. Driving is the easy part to me.. Managing the logbook is what makes the difference between being the guy running ur ### off always having,enough hours and the guy #####ing hes getting no miles, good luck to u

 

90% of experienced drivers can't tell the difference between legal and "gets past DOT or Safety Dept." You see it here all of the time someone asks a question abotu what they can do and never make it clear if they are asking what the legal requirements are or if they are asking how to make something happen without getting in trouble. The most common answer to questions about regulations I've heard over my career is "my first trainer said/did this..." That's not an answer unless you are that trainer, you're at that company, and in a time machine that makes it always that time in history.

Your trainer is giving you illegal answers to what the regulations ask you to do. You need to look carefully and weigh do you think you are closer to the end of training and can put up with it for a little longer or if you think the situations put you in REAL risk of causing an accident or not being able to react to someone else causing an accident. BEWARE some people have a Crusader Personality and will classify everything as a real risk to life and limb, whether it is or not. Think CAREFULLY, especially if someone is telling you to do what you already want to do. I would think about requesting another trainer "we just don't click" if you have lots of training left to do. If you are almost at the end I would likely just do what's necessary to finish ASAP and then drive your truck legal as a judge. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE COMPANY OR TRAINER.

SOME of these situations could be avoided if rookies would stop rushing to work at the first company that says they will hire them and spit out "2,500 miles per week and new pay plan". 3 or 4 times I have only worked somewhere where I knew working drivers already there. The one time I moved and didn't know any drivers I lucked out. 90% of rookies read an internet ad and ask a recruiter "is this good company, will I make money" and are on the bus to orientation before they hear an answer and then spend the next few weeks blaming the company for "hiding" things from them.

 

14 hour clock is a 14 hour clock. No way you could exceed that. Said he is having you log out, like all the way out of the E-log system? If your very concerned about what is going on, you may want to look at the logs.

Something here sounds off. I bet the trainer is having this trainee run on his, trainers, logs.

 

I really doubt the trainer is trying to do anything funky. It sounds to me, from my own experience as a trainer, he is trying to give the rookie a fresh 8 hour clock once it's time to drive.

With Swift a trainee has to complete 200 hours behind the wheel to qualify to upgrade to solo. All but one of my trainees "got it" in terms of time management at shippers or receivers. They understood that limiting their On Duty time meant they had more time available to drive on their 70 and reset their 8.

I did have one trainee from Hades. He insisted on running his clock as On Duty at shippers or receivers. A Swift trainee makes minimum wage for On Duty time. They make minimum wage +$1 an hour for drive time. Not a big difference, BUT the name of the game as a trainee is to NOT drain your 70 with On Duty. You want to maximize your drive time to start earning better money running solo.

That trainee from Hades took over 45 days to get his 200 hours behind the wheel. The AVERAGE trainee took 27 days. Does anyone think that trainee did himself a service by extending his work time at minimum wage? I don't. I tried to explain the math to him, but he insisted on "getting paid".

 

The thing that makes me wonder what is going on, is that the trainee is stating somehow, he is working beyond his 14 hour clock. No way you can start your day at 06:00 am. and end it at 12:45 am. That’s almost 18 hrs. No way the log was not red.

 

Get you a new trainer, by asking your company to put you on a new truck. This guy is only using you as a second logbook by the sound of it, and if he's having you sleep in the top bunk while in motion then your safety is obviously NOT on his list of concerns. Only thing he clearly cares about is roughly doubling his mileage pay

 

Right ? No.
You can go on duty not driving when you walk in the paperwork, and then back into a dock, maybe about 10 min.
Then you can go Off duty ... Unless you are required to watch you trailer being unloaded.
Off duty means you could physically leave the property. Could leave, not necessarily would leave.
If the truck is moving, get your ### out of the top bunk. Period! Get an extra sheet, throw it over whatever is on the bottom bunk, throw your sleeping bag or blankets on top of that.
Technically, you're supposed to have a safety net on the bottom bunk. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise.
When you are off duty sleeping, if your "trainer" wants to drag your ### out of bed to do his work, the answer is no. If there is some extreme or unusual circumstance that you need to learn, then possibly. Otherwise, no.
If he insists, call safety.
Good luck.

 

My only concern would be the top bunk. Ask for a different trainer