So on my MBE 4000 had a intake valve break on my number 6 cylinder with 240k on the factory rebuild(I bought used I got 25k out if it). It completely destroyed all of cylinder 6 and 5 liner was ok but piston and head was bad. Cylinder 4 head was ok but piston has some damage.
Anyways, I needed 2 heads for the engine so I took them off my old engine (had 211k before it was dusted out, was not me, bought the truck like that). I needed the updated heads and lucky me 2 of the 6 heads had updated head.
There was just one issue. One of the cylinders the head came off, the piston had a small dent in it. I could not tell if it just melted a bit, a valve hit it, or something else. I noticed this happened in 2 or 3 other cylinders as well. Last thing I want is another broken valves.
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Also, I am almost done with tear down just got 4 cylinders left. Should I replace all the lines and pistons or just replace the 2 liners and the 3 pistons?![]()
Small dent or melt spot on piston
Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by marpolsdofer, Aug 9, 2019.
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Replace all of the pistons. AFTER you hunt down the associated valves that are probably unable to set a seal when closed on itself. All valves have a precison ground angle around the lip of the working surface that must match itself when seating inside the head's home for it without anything getting between the valve and heads.
You also would probably consider that valve or two on the affected pistons (Probably all of them) are either late or early in opening. That means you pull Push rods, cam, rollers, lifters to see if any of them have gotten tired and is allowing the valve to travel outside of it's safe path when the engine is running.
A secondary concern is your timing chain. If that gets tired your valves will not be on time opening and closing or worse intruding too deep into a cylinder for the piston to punch it out and cause probably a destroyed engine before you know it.
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I ran the overhead on them about 20k ago and it it all seemed fine. None of the pistons showed any marks on them expect the ones that go beat up by valve parts. Interesting things is I had a friends of mine who does race engines he was shocked to see the valve seats on the damaged head did not even have marks or dents in them even thou the all the valves broke and got bent.
I don't have a timing chain. Also dealer told me it is a non interference engine so the only way for a piston to hit the valve is over extension of the valve usually by over rev, head was over machined, push rods to long, no valve lash. I think it was just bad luck and the valve just broke or 6 cylinder needs more lash.
My main concern is if anyone thinks the part of the piston in the photo is anything but hot spot that melted a little or a valve strike. I thinks its the first cause I saw a lot of carbon build up on the exhaust ports that layered its self like a burnt logs. -
I take my hat off in big respect for you.
I know a little something, but your post is full of good things for me to nibble on and consider the problem
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Just my opinion but you already have it apart if you replacing a couple of the liners and one of the heads and whatever you might as well just do the in frame.
That's my opinion anyway.Diesel Dave and BoxCarKidd Thank this. -
How does that happen? Heat from preignition? Incorrect timing? Very over heated? Over fueling?
I would be concerned about the condition of the liner o-rings and vote for an inframe also.Diesel Dave Thanks this. -
i don't see melted, i see hitting, and maybe even some metal removed.
i'd be very suspicious of the valve springs being weaker as they aged. find out if there was ever any recall on them, or if there is a MB service bulletin on that issue.
there is a valve spring compression tool with a dial indicator, that one can test the valve tensile strength. but when rebuilding an engine, replacement is faster and cheaper than testing.
also the valve stems could also be of a weaker metal, maybe they were not hardened enough during the process of making them. again, check for MB service bulletins on that.
of course replacement new parts would be recommended.
and for the record, in all my years, i never heard of any MB engine in a class 7 or 8 truck going very long in miles, till they self destruct. -
could be not only incorrect timing, bit also too much fuel being metered into the cylinder. i'd also check the fuel return line for a collapse, kinked, or blockage from maybe algae??BoxCarKidd Thanks this.
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Good points there buddy but you need to put some more clothes on. My wife would block you out if she ever looked at my stuff. Mighty fine after working 48 years. Did you have a special parts washer fluid or something?
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