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walkinboss · Jul 16, 2009

janskitty said: ↑

Well, here's my story, it's rather windy. I started with JCT in August 2008, like many of you I had asked several JCT drivers on the road how they felt about the company. Everyone told me the basics and I liked what I heard. The first DM I had there was really nice and kept me running constantly. She got fired in December. In January I had a new DM, miles slacked off some, but then picked up again. My truck that I was leasing was a 2007 International with a 2006 CAT engine. I started inquiring about upgrading due to the new EPA standards CA enacted. I was told to talk to them in March. I was constantly in the shop with my APU, so talking to them in March wasn't a problem. Well, in March I was told to try again later as my truck didn't have that many miles on it. By now I had spent over $4000 on the APU. They will not replace a bad APU, only fix it. In May I was down by Tucson when I started having serious issues. They sent me to Tucson, AZ International where I spent 5 days, leaving with the truck doing the same thing. They wanted me to bring a load to Sapulpa with a crippled truck. I felt sure this time I would get a new truck. I got there on Sunday night and on Monday morning was informed that all the new trucks on the lot were going to the orientation class. So I put the truck in the shop. On Wednesday morning they still didn't know what was causing my problem. I went into see Mr Christner himself. DO NOT DO THIS IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR JOB. I know they say "Open Door", but they don't mean it. Wednesday I went to Tulsa International to find out the problem was in the computer itself. Went back to the yard late Wednesday and was fired Thursday morning for having a dirty truck. The policy book states if you truck is dirty it is a $65 clean up fee. Truck was not dirty, cluttered yes, dirty no. When they fired me they escorted me to the back of the yard by the wash bay to clean out my truck. I had no money or transportation home. (Hadn't made a paycheck while truck was broke down.) Cell phone was turned off and they let me use their phones to call a friend for help. I got voice mail, when friend tried to call me back he was told I wasn't allowed to speak to anyone and that I was a filthy person. Well, he use to be my trainer and he told them he knew I was a pack rat, but dirty no. Anyway, got a hold of daughter and she was given 4 hours to drive 230 miles to pick me up. I couldn't fit everything in her small car and had to abandon it on their property. That was over a month ago. My DAC simply saies I was terminated and not rehirable. However, every company that calls them won't talk to me again. I have a form I was given that said I had 0 Service Failures, Hard runner, etc yet fired. I also took pics with my cell phone of inside of truck immediately when I got back showing it's not dirty. Will try to post all this to my homepage here.
Oh yeah, my conversation with Mr Christner went something to the affect: I didn't think it was fair to give the new trucks to the new drivers when some of the older drivers were having major issues with their trucks. I understood he turned this over to someone else in the company and thanked him for listening to me.
One more thing. My DM was Steve Melton. Him and his wife Judy are the ones that talked me into speaking with Mr. Christner about this matter. Imagine my shock when he turned against me as well. I know, he's protecting his job.
Doesn't make my position any better. I can't find a job, no unemployment, living on food stamps and facing living on the street in a couple of weeks.
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im not liking this place more and more....and i only got 12 that im supposed to be in sapulpa yea right doubt that will happen with whats going on with new hires lately.....

truckin4alivin · Jul 16, 2009

LMB said: ↑

Doesn't make any difference if you do own your truck. A company can still cancel your lease. Now if you have your own authority, and get your own loads(by your own or through a broker)you are OK. Unless you do a lousy job, the company you are hauling for does not have to hire your truck. You can be fired from any job, not just lease operators
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good way to put it

NORTHSTAR66 · Jul 16, 2009

walkinboss said: ↑

im not liking this place more and more....and i only got 12 that im supposed to be in sapulpa yea right doubt that will happen with whats going on with new hires lately.....
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whats going on with the newbies?

NORTHSTAR66 · Jul 16, 2009

janskitty said: ↑

Well, here's my story, it's rather windy. I started with JCT in August 2008, like many of you I had asked several JCT drivers on the road how they felt about the company. Everyone told me the basics and I liked what I heard. The first DM I had there was really nice and kept me running constantly. She got fired in December. In January I had a new DM, miles slacked off some, but then picked up again. My truck that I was leasing was a 2007 International with a 2006 CAT engine. I started inquiring about upgrading due to the new EPA standards CA enacted. I was told to talk to them in March. I was constantly in the shop with my APU, so talking to them in March wasn't a problem. Well, in March I was told to try again later as my truck didn't have that many miles on it. By now I had spent over $4000 on the APU. They will not replace a bad APU, only fix it. In May I was down by Tucson when I started having serious issues. They sent me to Tucson, AZ International where I spent 5 days, leaving with the truck doing the same thing. They wanted me to bring a load to Sapulpa with a crippled truck. I felt sure this time I would get a new truck. I got there on Sunday night and on Monday morning was informed that all the new trucks on the lot were going to the orientation class. So I put the truck in the shop. On Wednesday morning they still didn't know what was causing my problem. I went into see Mr Christner himself. DO NOT DO THIS IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR JOB. I know they say "Open Door", but they don't mean it. Wednesday I went to Tulsa International to find out the problem was in the computer itself. Went back to the yard late Wednesday and was fired Thursday morning for having a dirty truck. The policy book states if you truck is dirty it is a $65 clean up fee. Truck was not dirty, cluttered yes, dirty no. When they fired me they escorted me to the back of the yard by the wash bay to clean out my truck. I had no money or transportation home. (Hadn't made a paycheck while truck was broke down.) Cell phone was turned off and they let me use their phones to call a friend for help. I got voice mail, when friend tried to call me back he was told I wasn't allowed to speak to anyone and that I was a filthy person. Well, he use to be my trainer and he told them he knew I was a pack rat, but dirty no. Anyway, got a hold of daughter and she was given 4 hours to drive 230 miles to pick me up. I couldn't fit everything in her small car and had to abandon it on their property. That was over a month ago. My DAC simply saies I was terminated and not rehirable. However, every company that calls them won't talk to me again. I have a form I was given that said I had 0 Service Failures, Hard runner, etc yet fired. I also took pics with my cell phone of inside of truck immediately when I got back showing it's not dirty. Will try to post all this to my homepage here.
Oh yeah, my conversation with Mr Christner went something to the affect: I didn't think it was fair to give the new trucks to the new drivers when some of the older drivers were having major issues with their trucks. I understood he turned this over to someone else in the company and thanked him for listening to me.
One more thing. My DM was Steve Melton. Him and his wife Judy are the ones that talked me into speaking with Mr. Christner about this matter. Imagine my shock when he turned against me as well. I know, he's protecting his job.
Doesn't make my position any better. I can't find a job, no unemployment, living on food stamps and facing living on the street in a couple of weeks.
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maybe you shouldnt have told the owner of the co. what you thought about how to hand out his trucks, and just simply asked him for a new or newer truck.

jdrentzjr · Jul 16, 2009

LMB said: ↑

Doesn't make any difference if you do own your truck. A company can still cancel your lease. Now if you have your own authority, and get your own loads(by your own or through a broker)you are OK. Unless you do a lousy job, the company you are hauling for does not have to hire your truck. You can be fired from any job, not just lease operators
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While you are correct that a company can cancel your lease, even if you own your truck, you missed my point, or I should atleast make it clearer.

If a company cancels your lease, and you own your truck, you can still lease on with another company. And if that's not possible, you can still become an independent. Both of these senerios mean you have a job.

However, I will agree that if you are a lousy businessman/driver/o/o, owning your own truck will NOT mean you have a job, or that you will be successfull.

kelgar50 · Jul 16, 2009

jdrentzjr said: ↑

While you are correct that a company can cancel your lease, even if you own your truck, you missed my point, or I should atleast make it clearer.

If a company cancels your lease, and you own your truck, you can still lease on with another company. And if that's not possible, you can still become an independent. Both of these senerios mean you have a job.

However, I will agree that if you are a lousy businessman/driver/o/o, owning your own truck will NOT mean you have a job, or that you will be successfull.
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Also by owning the truck you did not just throw your investment away.
I own my truck and trailer if I leave the equipment goes with me and I did not waste the money I invested.And if I screwed up and can't put the truck on anywhere like jdrentzjr said I can go independent.If that doesn't work I can sell and regain some money.
So ye there is a difference.

trucker112166 · Jul 16, 2009

kelgar50 said: ↑

Also by owning the truck you did not just throw your investment away.
I own my truck and trailer if I leave the equipment goes with me and I did not waste the money I invested.And if I screwed up and can't put the truck on anywhere like jdrentzjr said I can go independent.If that doesn't work I can sell and regain some money.
So ye there is a difference.
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you are correct but also if you own your truck and you can't get leased on with someone right away you still have to make that truck payment so for that reason the JCT lease is good you just walk away

LMB · Jul 17, 2009

You know we can argue this own or lease crap till the cows come home. A job is a job. Thats why we have shoe salesmen, garbage collectors, bus drivers, and so on. I like what I am doing, and you like what you are doing(at least I hope so). Do you have it better than me??? Don't know, don't care. I can go out right now and finance a brand new tractor and trailer, but I don't want to. I might change my mind in a few months. This way, I can walk a way clean. Don't have to worry about makin truck payments till I can sell, or taking a loss on my purchase. Like I said before, it's like renting an office space.

kelgar50 · Jul 17, 2009

trucker112166 said: ↑

you are correct but also if you own your truck and you can't get leased on with someone right away you still have to make that truck payment so for that reason the JCT lease is good you just walk away
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Hhmmm....I own my truck the title is in the safe at the house so no I don't have to make a payment.
And my trailer I do have a payment and it has been sitting for the last 4 months and making the payment has not been a problem.Trailer will be paid off next year.

walkinboss · Jul 17, 2009

you know guys this thread that lmb started here is not to discuss lease vs. owning...there is a thread for that...its getting hard to get thru whats going on here for that reason....please lets keep it to how jct doin thanks...be safe out there.

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