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Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Moose1958, Dec 17, 2019.

  1. FlaSwampRat

    FlaSwampRat Road Train Member

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    I wouldn't be surprised if residents have to take a course now. I see the signs everywhere and it's always $59. Seems like it's probably a standard thing for everyone to have the same price tag on it. I also have a PA permit and that one was also just background and a fee to the state but then that was also 15ish years ago so I don't know if they still do it the same there too. I'm actually planning going to the range on Friday, I'll ask while I'm there, I'm curious now.
     
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  3. x1Heavy

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    We had a national reprocity vote on Cpsan 2 back about 2006 or so one night towards 1 am. The act was tied in the senate during the vote dead even. Missing one senator. Lo and behold one of our Arkansas Democrat senators (Now retired) tumbled through the doors of the senate in some disorder and voted yes for the bill, his superior leadership intercepted him on the way back out and talked to him in a one way converstation. After a few minutes he changed the vote to no killing the whole thing. A few minutes after that the Senate President stated the vote was not agreed to or adopted and killed the whole issue then and there. It died due to one arkansas senator made to change his vote by his leadership in some way.

    Politics at it's best, if you are awake at 1 am and monitoring the action on the senate floor as these votes go through live while everyone sleeps.

    Today is a most difficult day in Congress. Its sufficient to know that the House currently is closed to all outsiders physically but Cspan and others are carrying the combat ongoing in that chamber live as I write this.

    There is a situation developing in Virginia where armed militia is being stood up in some counties in response to state house legislation but the issue is not germaine to this specific thread topic and threatens a whole other derailing can of worms which probably will sink the thread. I don't want to be the one to do it.

    If I was to carry in trucking I would do it. The only thing I would face is my employer firing me for having that gun on me under my own license inside his truck while trucking. IF he knew about it. IF something did come up that I had to draw and use it then the firing is the least of my concerns at that point. I carry USCCA insurance which provides among other things bail for gun charges and jailing over same. I can bail out and acquire a lawyer and go through the court system if charged with a gun crime.

    There is ONE thing arkansas employers including trucking companies, cannot legally do. Go into my car and see if I have a gun in it in their employee parking lot. Its totally illegal act as of a few years ago passed at our Capitol in Little Rock and signed into law. It protects employees and affirms that our vehicle is part of castle doctrine.

    One poster asked about medical.

    When i was transported for excessive pain related to the failed hip joint by our local ambulance service to the ER in Searcy, the ambulance crew carries arms on them in that rig with them on the job under a active shooter tier of our concealed licenses. We have three tiers. One for revolver only, one for semi auto and and one for active shooters after 8 hours of training by police. I am just a basic license carry anything that is legal handgun of any kind under that defination.

    If I had one on me in that ambulance, they keep a safe for it. It goes into that safe. Then it is transferred for custody and safekeeping to security to their safe or to the Law and their safekeeping. When that happens I am informed of what happened to the gun and where and who I can go see to recover it when discharged from the hopsital. Provided I am not wanted for arrest or any reason or a fugitive from justice or whatever along those lines when I am finished with the hospital recovering my gun is not a problem. They WILL make sure its made safe and stored strongly so no one can get to it without a good reason.

    The ambulance crew is well aware that I am a gun carrier as well and israeli trained under their military IDF core anti terrorist handgun protocol however Arkansas only recognizes their own Police training for active shooters so if i want to carry in a public college or even inside the statehouse etc I need to go attend the training and gain that higher license class before I can do so. That night when I went to the hospital the weapon was already in my personal safe which is a strong amsec type. Its very difficult for anyone to get into but any safe given enough time can be defeated. Remember the ratings are only to resist being broken into for a length of time usually a hour and half and against fire for two hours max. Its not a perfect safe. But a hell of alot better than your run of mill 10 dollar safes in walmart or something.

    So to summarize, having a gun in a acute medical trauma or accident or something else involving ground ambulance or lifeflight is NOT a problem to me or to the medics.

    A side note. In my area I am known to the LEO in a good way a very good way. USUALLY one is with me and my ambulance to the hospital so if something did come up for a gun or whatever, they are more than happy to transport the firearm back to the local barrack and I can go collect it after I get out of the hospital. They usually stay with me and my ambulance out of courtesy partly because I am a known gun carrier in my area and not presenting any problem to anyone involved as a medic (Which is a good thing.) we have a awful lot of people here who own guns and usually have something on them. SO its really ho hum routine for the medics to isolate, make safe the weapon when found on a patient that needs transport to ER or Trauma etc. Its no big deal.
     
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  4. clausland

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    This debate won't end until SCOTUS definitively rules on it, and even then it likely won't.

    Contrary to some who just absolutely refuse to believe it, SCOTUS has already declared in the Heller & Brown rulings that law abiding US citizens have an individual constitutional right under the 2A to keep & bear arms; however, they have been silent as to if this applies to carrying in the public purview.

    It would appear that it would; however, those rulings only established that one has the right to a "common in use" firearm for self-protection in ones home. Even so, NY, and other States, have continually thumbed their noses at Federal law, and otherwise law abiding US citizens keep getting arrested. This is wrong....

    Be a law abiding NY resident and get caught in NY with a handgun without a NY issued "permit" and you're getting arrested, even though SCOTUS has already ruled it's your right to have it! The argument about my RV or my truck is my "home" has not been, to my knowledge, firmly established, yet.

    The latest attempt by D.C as to having a resident there "show a proper reason", and self-defense is not considered one of them, for the issuance of a carry permit, in an attempt to restrict their 2A rights, was declared invalid by the short panel (2/3) Appellate court. D.C. wisely chose not to appeal to the full Appellate, and instead, have now embraced a "shall issue", instead of a "mother may I" stance.

    Most currently, NYC amended their unconstitutional law that prohibited residents who had a valid NYC carry (in itself, unless one is connected, is most difficult to get) to transport the weapon out of NYC. When the issue was upheld by the Appellate court, it was then presented to the SCOTUS, who has agreed to hear it. In response, NYC quickly amended the law and are now attempting very hard to not have the case heard. Keep in mind, even a NY permit is not valid in NYC.

    Personally, I don't usually carry in my truck, I don't need the hassle. However, that said, I do believe that a law abiding US citizen has the right to protect oneself under the 2A, including carrying concealed while traversing the U.S. in his truck or RV. Ones rights should not end at the "State line"

    "Gun free zones" are killing zones, obviously, criminals with murderous intent love them and seek them out. To disarm law abiding US citizens, with the hopes that criminals will also, is absolutely insane.

    Anyway, truck on and be safe out there!
     
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  5. MACK E-6

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    I used to be able to carry in PA under my FL permit, until the new attorney general added the requirement of needing a permit from your home state, which in MD only the politically connected get.

    Obviously an attempt to target those in the neighboring “may issue” states.
     
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    I was always told never take a gun to ny, NJ, or MD because you pretty much have to be a retired leo to carry there. How true that is u don't know, just always what I've been told.
     
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  7. Moose1958

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    I just spent 3 hours at the Veterans Hospital. Oh, the fantasy of having an ICBM. I wonder if I could use the 2nd to have one of my very own! :downtown:
     
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  8. FlaSwampRat

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    @MACK E-6 got stopped at a red light next to one on the way to work. The signs are everywhere so I imagine everyone has to take a basics course IMG_20191218_120151239_HDR.jpg now.
     
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  9. Razorwyr

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    Everytime I've read the 2A, it has stated "...SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED..." I believe you should be allowed to have it. So long as you are not infringing on anyone else's rights, I believe you should be allowed to have a nuke. Now, the moment you use it, whole different ball game, but murder is already illegal. If the federal government can own one, so can you. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.... until the gander proves it cant be trusted with that responsibility
     
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  11. Razorwyr

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    What? An ICBM is ok, but not a nuke? Killin' is killin'.... I'm just sayin
     
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