Getting a job offer before you can apply for a work permit.

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  1. 00Gambit

    00Gambit Bobtail Member

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    So I'm 34 years old and have 3 years experience as a truck driver in the UK and want to emigrate to Canada and drive trucks there. I'll visit Canada on a holiday visa and take a CDL course and pass it before I try and get a job offer from an employer.

    This is where it gets a bit frustrating. I have to convince an employer to give me a formal job offer which involves having to do all the LMIA paperwork, interview me, verify my references, assess my driving ability and wait months for all the paperwork to go through, all before they even know if my work permit application will be successful.

    It seems like an insane about of hassle for an employer to go through just to hire a foreign worker. It's not exactly like I'm a highly qualified individual with a unique skill set... But then I see trucking vloggers in Canada from India or Pakistan (no disrespect I'm sure they've all gone through the proper channels) who've managed it and I just don't understand how they make it seem so easy?

    I have this terrible feeling I'm going to pay for the flight, accommodation, cost of the CDL course etc and not get offered a job afterwards because it's just too much hassle for Canadian employers.

    Is it really this much hassle for employers or does it just seem like a lot?
     
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  3. 3noses

    3noses Light Load Member

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    Be warned, you will not get past CBSA at the airport if you try to come on a visitor visa and tell them you are planning on taking a CDL course while here. This is not the correct procedure, you will be refused entry, detained, and sent home on the next available flight. And be flagged in the system for the future. And if you don't tell them that is what you are planning and they find out, (they have ways) you could be barred from any future re-entry to Canada.

    The foreign worker program for Canada has a terrible reputation in Canada, and it's getting worse by the day. Created to allow big companies to attract foreign workers because companies won't pay enough to attract local people, it is rife with kick-backs, employee abuse, failure to pay workers, the list is endless..

    Just don't try what you planned, it is a sure-fire way into a financial and legal mess you will long regret...
     
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  4. 00Gambit

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    Actually telling CBSA that I'm planning on doing a CDL course, which is literally no different to studying at a university (both are courses which lead to a qualification) is perfectly legal and acceptable. Telling them I'm planning on looking for work afterwards or going with resumes and other job hunting documentation is not acceptable and yes, will likely prevent me from being allowed in.

    However arriving with a return ticket, doing the course, going back home to the UK and then applying for work is totally legitimate.

    But to be safe I will find out by contacting them well before I decide to do it just to double check. If not then I'll just go on holiday, road trip across Canada or whatever, and then just decide to do a CDL course while I'm there.
     
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    We don't need these kind of racist postings, this forum gets repeated warnings from the moderators, any more reports will probably get it shut down, and rightly so. Canadians are supposed to be better than that. The OP was asking for advice, I'm sure he isn't asking for or appreciating a comment like that..
     
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  6. dunchues

    dunchues Medium Load Member

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    You're trying to reinvent the wheel, and you're not really reading the advice you're getting ( except for the parts that fit your agenda ).

    Just do what the thousands before you did and you'll save yourself a lot of money and problems. It has been explained to you what the authorities here will permit you to do on a visitor Visa and you want to argue?

    I can understand your dream, it was mine too, but you seriously need to wind your neck in and try to learn from those who are trying to help you.
     
  7. 00Gambit

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    Wind my neck in? I appreciate the advice I'm being given by people here but I'm not the type of person who gives up because it's difficult... But to not even try? That's just not who I am. Hundreds of people have done it, some are even members of this forum.
     
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    Don't let anyone tell you you can't do something unless it's the conclusion that you came to yourself.

    When bureaucracy is involved everything is a long, drawn out, painful process.
    That's the way it is, it's designed that way so people are more likely to give up than see it through.

    Don't know if these links will help any, maybe you can find some helpful info to speed up the process or reduce the headaches.

    Manitoba Work Experience Pathway | Canadim

    NEW Updated Guidelines for Employers and Long Haul Truck Drivers | Manitoba Immigration and Economic Opportunities
     
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    Thanks.

    And I will follow the steps which are simple, until it comes to convincing an employer to go through the hassle of hiring me. That's why I I wanted to ask here if the process is in fact very convoluted as I imagine or is this such a normal procedure for trucking companies that they're used to it and happy to jump through those hoops?

    I've compiled a list of companies within Manitoba (Bison Transport, TransX, Trapper Transport, Bartel Freight, Big Freight, Len Dubois, Agri Fresh) who either participate in the PNP or have done so in the past but I'm always searching for more companies. I've expanded my search to the Atlantic provinces as they have their own program, the Atlantic Immigration Pilot Program. However it's been very difficult to obtain a list of companies in this program as apparently the AIPP do not make the list public and instead you have to be "head hunted" by the employer.

    I guess I should just contact the employers I currently have noted down and see what their position is, I still feel like visiting their HQ in person and speaking to the transport manager or someone would be much more effective than sending an email from across the other side of the world but I guess it's a start.
     
  11. dunchues

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    You're getting there, contacting a prospective employer is your first step. Canada is different to UK, if you email you'll likely hear nothing so ALWAYS phone first and speak to whoever is in charge of recruiting. That person will tell you straight away if they're interested and what they want from you.

    You're idea of passing your test on your own dime wont fly. Not just because its outside your visitor Visa to study but because you also have to change your licence over to Canadian to get your learners permit needing address etc, so put it out of your mind. Its dim in my memory, but a little while back there was a lot of MB asians getting their license ( not really taking their test wink wink) at a center using their own language in ON, then changing to mb. The provincial authorities got wind of it and changed the rules on out of province new passes, you wont need that ag.

    Your list of companies seems to be all the big outfits, you may well do better with smaller firms. You will find plenty of opinion on here on those you list, but I'm not from MB so have no knowledge of my own only what I've read. Met a bloke from Payne once who was very happy and one from big freight too actually.

    The licencing rules between each province are very different . So is the geography and type of work, in fact everything really so like I said ages back first choose your province, then what work you want to do, then as you focus down you can get away from your shotgun approach and target a real strategy. For instance, I wanted to go long haul so MB wouldn't really have suited me whereas the left and right coast would . BC wouldn't work as I only speak english so maritimes it was. If I were wanting to be home more regularly then my choices may have been more open.

    The ainp is an option but the lmia route is still used by some companies in the maritimes.

    I know it seems incredible, it did to me too, but a lot of these outfits here really do need you more than you need them and will help you get over so keep your money in your pocket, you're going to need it.
     
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