14 hour log book ticket

Even if he wins, he will still have a criminal charge on his record.

You don't have to be convicted, for it to show on your record. And that's enough to set the bells off at the border crossings/customs.

 

Thanks Big Don for the classy response.

 

That's a mistake right there . You don't approach the judge . Hire an attorney and have him work a deal with the prosecutor before the court date . Never , never just pay the ticket or represent yourself .

 

Kenworth660, I'm just trying to get through to you that the people, and agencies, that issue tickets expect you to know the book better then they do and are not very forgiving of any mistakes.

Like my first post, I'm not trying to be pissey, just trying to get you to understand that it's a hard cruel world out there for truckers who are getting it from all sides. Some of that is rightly so due to some of the outlaw truckers that are still running the roads. Grant you this is a small minority but they are the biggest contributor to any negative image we get.

It's a shock (not a Shocky) if you haven't been exposed to it for awhile, or ever.

As I stated in my first post, read, read, search, read, search, ask questions in your posts, read, search.....

Good luck!

 

Yes log books are a pain in the butt. When I started driving I only had my Rand Mcnally atlas and a log book. Even though it might have been wrong I used the example in the Rand to try and do logs. I was lucky and never got a violation. I sat down to dinner in a few truckstops and struck up convo with some other drivers and asked their advice. Alot of them had different opinions so for the most part it was not alot of help but it did get me steered in the proper direction.

It was not till I got pulled over in Iowa for a paperwork check etc that I got the info I needed. I was usually running under my time as I was only driving 9 to 10 hours a day etc but I went and asked the DOT anyway. He was actually very willing to help me get it straight. The only thing I always could not understand is split logging. For that reason I don't do it. I just run hard and don't stop until I need to and leave it at that.

Basically you can not drive for more then 11 hours in a 24 hour period and you can not log more then 14 hours of total onduty time. Once you start your clock it does not stop for anything unless you are split logging. So by 10PM you had better be done working for the day in either off duty or in your sleeper berth and logged as such. You can't be logged in your berth and sitting the the restraunt eating at the same time. You will get a violation if the DOT finds a time stamped receipt and you were logged into your berth at that time.

But during that 14 hour clock, you can not drive more then 11 hours. Now DOT has these fancy computers that can estimate your driving time and speed and you could get nailed if you are actually further then you should be. Even though a speed limit is posted there are many times you are not going to average that actual speed.

Alot of times I run on roads that are posted at 70+ mph. Take in slowing down for towns etc and my average speed is only 60 or so mph. DOT knows this and you might get nailed for false log book if your log books shows and average of 70+ mph or the actual posted speed limit for your roads.

I live in North Dakota and we were chatting with a dot officer in the cafe and he said that he will ticket someone if they are logging the actual speed limit as there is no possible way they can be averaging that speed limit.

 

Not quite right . Suppose you start at 6 a.m. You do 1/2 hour on duty (pretrip , paperwork ) . You drive 11 hours 6:30 - 5:30 . Then 1/2 hour on duty . Take a 10 hour break 6 p.m. until 4 a.m. . Another half hour on duty . By 6 a.m. you can drive another hour and a half . 12 1/2 hours driving in 24 hours . Many drivers make some of the on duty times 15 minutes which would increase the driving time . You can also log over 14 hours on duty time . You just can't drive after the 14th hour . You could drive 11 hours then work on the dock another 6 hours and not be in violation .

 

Just to clarify your post a little, the 14 hour rules pertains to driving time not how many hours you can work in your day. In short, once you begin work you cannot drive a commercial vehicle beyond the 14 hour mark no matter how many of the 11 hours of driving you may have left. You can continue to work doing other things but you cannot drive again until you have had 10 consecutive hours off either in a combination of sleeper or off duty time to reset you 14 hour clock.

 

Must of been writing at the same time, Good post

 

As a former officer I can tell you that wonce a ticket has been writen. There is no "I didn't know" theres Innecents, Guilty and No contest. But regaurdles it will be on your record. No stopping that now.

 

There are also attorneys that get 80% of tickets dismissed or reduced . The original charge may never go on record . The driver never appears in court .