23 Hour Day

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Joethemechanic, Apr 25, 2007.

  1. Joethemechanic

    Joethemechanic Medium Load Member

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    Yep in March 11th I logged a 23 hour day. All on line 1. I drew a line from midnight until 2AM, and a gap from 2AM to 3AM, and a line from 3AM to midnight. Everywhere I would normally have written 24 hours I wrote 23. On the bottom I wrote changed clocks due to daylight savings time.

    A couple of days ago I got a letter from Safety saying I had a serious log violation. They said I was in violation of the 70 Hr 8 Day rule. They figured that a 23 hour day was not a continuous off duty period. I sent them a letter stating that I didn't think I should have drawn a line and logged for a time period that didn't exist.

    Is it just me? Or should I have just ignored the 23 hour day and just logged it as a 24 hour day?
     
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  3. Burky

    Burky Road Train Member

    Personally, I think you kind of made a mountain out of a molehill. The semi annual clock changes are one of the areas that never seem to be addressed, and as long as you aren't making much of it, they tend to bass by without any notice. By pointing it out, you forced Safety to dig into the regulations and try to find an answer to a question they had never thought of before. Since the clock changes always happen on a weekend, I always seem to be off those days and just run a straight line through on line one and let it go at that. And on the fall side, when I gain an hour, it works the same way. From here, it looks like you stirred a pot that idn;t need to be stirred. Now twice a year, they have a reason to look harder than normal at you and your logs. You are on their list as number one boy. LOL!!!
     
  4. Joethemechanic

    Joethemechanic Medium Load Member

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    You know I sat and thought about what would be the right thing to do with the time change for about an hour. I have really never had to keep a log before this year, I was always exempt. I was wondering what it was they wanted to see for that day. Then I figured when in doubt just log it as it happened. Boy do I hate these logs. The worst part is my watch and all my billing go in as military time, and then I have to convert to the 12 hour format for the logs. Not that it is all that hard but with all the going back and forth mistakes happen. lots of times I do stupid stuff like log 17:00 as 7:00 PM.

    You know if it was my way everyone would work on GMT. No time zones, no 12 hour BS., no standard or daylight savings time.
     
  5. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    YOu have to log the 24 hour day or we are lacking an hour on your log sheet.
    What you was off duty while time changed. You was off duty during the time change so you log off duty and bracket the time in the remark section and state time change.

    If you are driving you log driving until you actually stop (not driving over 11 hours physically) and when you stop you log it at the time you stop and bracket in the remark section the time zone change. I personally give you that morning as a freebie. Now my letters you get will show any violations as I do not have time to go through 2,000 letters to mark them out :( sorry to you, but it is easier for you to call me and say hey don't I get a break that day. l.o.l.

    It's a messed up day for us and you so we just do the best we can as you should do the best you can. That is what DOT will say also. Make sure you don't drive over 11 and make sure you take a 10. Fill in the gap with off duty.\

    I hope I said this right as I am very brain tired from work :biggrin_25510:
     
  6. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    I have a sheet that might help you out. It actually converts time to military. I have to think sometimes about it. It is very small paper. If you live on East coast I also have a sheet that tells you to add or subtract to make it East coast time. So if it helps I will be glad to share. You just need a printer.
     
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