3406B/C Frankenstein

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Ol’ Son, Feb 6, 2025.

  1. Ol’ Son

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    That sounds about like the broke little town I live in. 3 churches, a small gas station and a post office. No place like home though.
    I will check the turbo and see if I can find a number on it. I know they just put it on new but I don’t know what brand it is. The guy said it was an e model turbo but the watstegate is tied shut with baling wire. Said he paid $1700 for it so that will probably be another upgrade here in the near future. I do appreciate the numbers for what I need to run! Beats the heck out of guessing.
    As far as the advance, I haven’t pulled the cone off and checked it or the pin time yet but will most likely do that tomorrow. I do have a good injection shop about 45 minutes away, so I may just pull the pump tomorrow and carry it to them to be tested while it’s down so I can rule that out.
    On a different note, the piston/nozzle combo that @wore out suggested, I am assuming should work out good with the turbo that @Oxbow is running?
     
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  3. Ol’ Son

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    Just re read your reply @wore out and realized you put the correct nozzle number at the bottom. Thanks
     
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    To my knowledge the 177148 is a replacement for an E model or pre-Acert C15. Were it me I would cut the wire off of the waste gate.
     
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    @Oxbow thats probably the smart thing to do. It will push 30-32 ish psi but never seen it get over 800-850 pyro as long as I kept the rpm’s up pulling hills loaded. I’ll have to find an actuator and put it on it since all of that was stripped off the housing.
     
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    To answer your question @wore out, there was no pre ignition ping sound. It ran pretty good after it was warmed up. When it was cold, it would stumble pretty bad just moving it around the shop lot but once she warmed up, I could stomp it from an idle and it wouldn’t skip a beat as it ran the rpms up. That made me think the advance must be working right from my minimal knowledge. Getting smarter on these old cats by the day though with the help from y’all
     
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    Ya usually they will stumble just a tad with when timing is not right. But not always,

    Weights worn through the races, as well as advance tighten with carrier not fully seated and the clip gone all will make one skip and smoke cold then get better. Course all 3 of those are easy to see.

    Air in the fuel can as well as plungers and barrels with a little wear. Low compression could be some of it as well.

    I have learned we all describe things differently and no matter the quality I can’t hear the things in a video I can in person.

    If it wasn’t rattling till it built boost i don’t think the timing caused that damage. Have you got any pics of the piston tops
     
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    I’m am no photographer but here’s a few pics of the pistons. I know pictures don’t really show it good but 2 of the pistons had holes almost all the way through. Also, I was wrong in what I said about the position of the holes. The pistons with holes were 1,2&5. 1&2 had holes toward the rear of the motor and 5 was toward the front.

    I checked the pinned timing and it is spot on. Pulled the outer and inner cone off the advance and everything looks to be in like new shape. Now whether or not it’s adjusted right, I’m not sure.
     
  10. Oxbow

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    I'll be interested to hear what @wore out has to say about those photos, but in my mind you need a new set of nozzles when you go back. The oil and erosion around the pistons is interesting. I can't imagine it ran well.
     
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    @Oxbow the plan is to go back with the pistons and nozzles for the 4ck 460 peec like @wore out recommended. Called cat today to get an eta on the nozzles and make sure they will take these 3421’s as a core. I will go back with an ipd in frame kit but they do offer those pistons. Will probably run it and see how it does with the turbo that’s on it since it isn’t 2 months old and just watch the pyro close to see how it does and go from there. What’s you guys thoughts on head gaskets? Some say to only go with cat but again you can read anything you want to search for nowadays. Hard to find people with the experience to back it up.
     
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