A Refreshing Voice Of Reason

Discussion in 'Other News' started by STexan, Dec 24, 2018.

  1. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    ... in a time when the modern world's collective society seems to have lost it's mind and any sense of reason

    Astronaut: Human mission to Mars 'stupid'

    I challenge anyone to list one good reason why waste billions trying to tour Mars. It's made out of gold? So what? It has dried and dormant micro-organisms that can be pre-packaged, add water and fertilizer, and they turn into clones of Jennifer Lopez in 2 months?? ... well okay maybe there's one good reason but that's a big "maybe if"
     
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  3. 8thnote

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    Pushing the boundries of human knowledge and ability is never a bad thing. Right now, we dont know what the limits if space travel and exploration are. It could be a colosssl waste if time and resources or it could open a new chapter in history. What if Ferdinand and Isabella had failed to finance that voyage by an industrius Italian in the 15th century? What if Jefferson had lacked the forsight to expand westward and saved money instead if financing Lewis and Clark? We dont know the possibilities unless we go.
     
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  4. STexan

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    Big difference exploring our own planet and exploring other planets. That's not a practical argument for Mars exploration. There's too much to offer and worry about here on OUR OWN earth without taking on other problems of other planets.

    If others have nothing better to do and have their own money left over [after taxes are paid] to explore Mars, great. Go for it. But don't tell me we don't have tax dollars to protect or own US sovereignty with more border protection, but we can find tax dollars to go to a planet to screw around there. According to many here today, humanity is so bad and only destroys everything it inhabits, so why should we want to go trash other planets? Talk about rude and selfish.
     
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    Think of all the things that are now necessity’s of every day life that we have only because of our quest for space travel.
     
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    Space travel (satellite needs and our very own moon exploration) and going to another planet to consider settlement are two completely different things. I'm not against a "space program" to do experiments and expand and implement projects that benefit earth inhabitants. But I refuse to support [with my tax dollars] any misguided projects to see what's on another planet that can have no affordable and practical uses for us.

    We've discovered the universe is too immense to imagine, but to what end? What good has it done us to understand that there are black holes and other solar systems? It's interesting, but that's it. It has not made any difference in or improved our lifestyle one iota but has removed trillions of dollars over the many decades from being able to be used to fund projects that can actually help US here on earth.
     
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  7. Swiss Mountain Dog

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    Hubble alone created the tech that was further developed for the cameras and digital media we now enjoy.
     
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    You missed my point.
    All the technology that has been developed to make landings on other planets and other space travel has directly improved or lifestyles dramatically.
    With out it we would not have many technological devices that are used every day including the very computer that you typed on to start this thread.
     
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    There are 2 black holes located very nearby, that will never be fully explored. Silicon Valley, and any nation state that works with them.

    I could tell you of things that I have personally seen and held. But to what end? A simple Google search would give you a false release date and data. And you would consider me a liar.

    I too believe Mars is a huge waste. I also believe that money is NOT being spent on Mars missions. It’s being diverted to other things covertly.

    Elon Musk is an exception. He and others are investing they’re own money. We think ;)
     
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  10. Oxbow

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    I find myself on both sides of this argument.

    I completely agree that we ought to be able to fund a #### wall for our border before we spend trillions on Mars exploration.

    I also completely agree that we don't know what we don't know, and that is the whole point of scientific research whether it produces valuable and useful technologies and information or not.

    It then becomes a matter of balance. If we say that we will fund the science when we can afford it, it will never happen. I wish our representatives in D.C. (both parties) could pull their collective heads out of their butts, be fiscally responsible, and prioritize expenditures. It seems "our" priorities however are becoming more and more split as time goes on.

    Suffice it to say I have no answers, but believe there ought to be a way to accomplish both.
     
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    Excellent point. There’s a fine balance we need to reach. Achieving that requires an educated populace and government.

    We have neither.

    I define education as a deep desire to understand anything we don’t.

    When a scientist can’t tell you with 100% certainty how a 80 ton slab of rock was transported 50 miles, and up the side of a mountain by primitive cultures. Are we really an advanced society?
     
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