Air pressure weirdness

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  1. PermanentTourist

    PermanentTourist Heavy Load Member

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    Been dealing with this for a few days now:

    Sometimes air builds very slowly (have to rev at 1500 rpm for it to build air at all). At other times, it works fine, builds air even at 600 rpm idle. Seems to work fine in the morning, but then starts getting weird after driving for a couple of hours.

    This started a few days ago in Illinois, when my governor froze up and pressure went up to 160. Replaced the governor, and it worked fine. Next day the slow air pressure building problems began. I thought it might be the cold weather causing ice in the system, but now I'm in California, it's 50 degrees out, and it's still doing it.

    I do not hear any air leaks. No air loss when truck is off. I tried to bypass air dryer as a test (disconnected its' in and out lines and screwed them together), but it didn't help. I thoroughly drained the tanks (even took off the fittings to make sure everything blows out completely).

    My air compressor is pretty new (replaced it in October). And everybody tells me air compressors don't fail like this, intermittently. They just crap out.

    Other clues:

    It sorta seems to start working normally after messing with the lines. I took it to a TA earlier today, and they were clueless, but they disconnected the air lines from the dryer and it magically started working good again. When I messed with lines a couple of days ago, it didn't fix anything immediately, but came back to life like an hour later.

    The governor is still being weird, at least once - yesterday, coming down that long easy grade from Kingman AZ to Needles, pressure went up to 140 again. At other times it's fine, puffs out at 125.

    This is really hard to diagnose, because as soon as I get to a shop and they call me in, it starts working fine again. And I don't want to go replacing the whole air supply system one piece at a time as an expensive sort of diagnostic. Could it be something weird with that new governor? Maybe defective part or something? Or maybe the air supply line into the compressor? The load/unload valve on the compressor sticking halfway? (if that is even possible)... Any other ideas?
     
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  3. RockinChair

    RockinChair Road Train Member

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    If everything was normal until you replaced the governor, then it's most likely a bad governor or a problem with the installation. If you are mechanically inclined, you can take the governor completely out and then reinstall it, if the problem persists after that then it's probably the governor itself.
     
  4. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    Sometimes you won't hear an air leak to have an air leak. I've only had 2 trucks in my life that actually held air when shut off. But still bled off. Those were new FL's. Truck I"m in now won't release the brakes after 30 minutes of shut off. No idea where it's leaking at. Can't hear a thing. It could be a multitude of places combined.

    There's also the possibility that maybe you're leveling valves aren't shut off or something. Or some other valve. So when you fire the truck up. It's trying to pump up the whole entire system instead of just the truck itself. Or, one of them is leaking till it gets pumped up.

    And as mentioned above. The governor.
     
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  5. PermanentTourist

    PermanentTourist Heavy Load Member

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    All good points, but it would have to be a really bad leak to equal a compressor at 1200 rpm (about the break even point). And whatever air it does slowly gain, it keeps. So I'm thinking the problem is "upstream" of the tanks.
     
  6. PermanentTourist

    PermanentTourist Heavy Load Member

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    I'm gonna have to try that, I guess. A governor is only like 20 bucks and is simple to replace. Pretty cheap way to start the whole "diagnostics by replacing everything" process. And if it's not the problem, at least I could always use an extra governor in my spare parts pile.
     
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  7. Working2party

    Working2party Medium Load Member

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    Not sure what system you working on. But is sounds like an compressor unloader issue. You said it wasn’t that old so If your working on an older truck where the governor is mounted on the compressor, I would look for air leaks around the Governor or the control line back to air drier. ( will only leak when the compressor is unloaded and not pumping).
    If your working with a newer model it’s more than likely the control line from the Governor/air drier to the compressor unloader.

    Or in either case a gummed up unloader.

    So, use soapy water, pump the truck to to air pressure cutoff, immediately shut off the truck and start looking for leaks in the control line. If you can’t find any, remove the Governor (older) or the control line (newer) from the compressor and spray alittle lube in there and try it. If this fixes it have the unloader removed and cleaned or replaced. And check back in
     
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  8. mooredaniel736

    mooredaniel736 Bobtail Member

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    I have a similar problem with a truck at work international 9200i. Won't build pressure at idle . Idle up to 1500 and will start building air sometimes stops at 90 psi. Ideas?
     
  9. 062

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    Post what year and motor. Maybe @Heavyd will be around today.
     
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