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Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by dieselbear, Mar 3, 2009.

  1. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    Here's a good one . A Texas hotshotter with a dually and gooseneck was ticketed in OK for not having a combination registration . He checked and yes , TX recently passed a regulation requiring trucks with a load capacity over 1 ton to have a combination registration . One problem . When the VIN from a 1 ton truck was entered in the computer it would reject the application saying the truck didn't require combination registration . I never heard of them resolving this .
    Hot shotters are told in GA they need IFTA because they have more than 3 axles . Try explaining the requirement is for 3 axles on the power unit .
     
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  3. dieselbear

    dieselbear Road Train Member

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    Well now I get a lot of F350's (chevy 3500/dodge 3500) who GVWR is 11500, towing a goose neck with a GVWR of 15,000 lbs. Under this scenario in my state they are suppose to have combination weight on the trailer if they are registered in my State. Now if from out of State, by the letter of the law apportioned plates are required because combination gross weight is in excess of 26,000 lbs. A class A CDL is required and IFTA is also required. I get a lot of boat haulers who have none of this.


    IFTA applies to these:
    1. Have two axles and a gross vehicle weight or registered gross vehicle weight exceeding 26,000 pounds, or 11,797 kilograms; or

    2. Have three or more axles, regardless of weight; or ​

    3. Are used in combination when such combination exceeds a gross vehicle weight or registered gross vehicle weight of 26,000 pounds or 11,797 kilograms.

    Apportioned plates pretty much follow the same guidelines as IFTA. In my State, if you don't leave the State, and stay intrastate, you don't need IFTA or apportioned plates.
     
  4. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    I have always thought it was wrong to combine the GVWR's of the truck and trailer to determine this . The factory GCWR of a 1 ton truck is around 23,000 lbs . I realize some of them often gross well above that .
     
  5. psanderson

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    Reminds me of the one I asked Re. under federal rule (not state/commonwealth rule) what's the only vehicle on the road that you are required to pull over & stop for. Took everyone about 3-days to figure out a mail truck with a red flashing light on top.

    I won't respond so they can figure it out
     
  6. Kabar

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    I going to say the answer is yes. Here is why. The tow truck driver needs to beaware of the safty rules that apply to haz-mat and the specail condition for hauling a tanker. I do know that the first thing the rule book on haz-mat says is that it applies to ANYONE that hauls or works with haz-mat.
     
  7. GasHauler

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    I don't know why that would be such a hard question for your trainees. It meets the definition in §383.5 for a CMV and you'd come under the rules just like anybody else. It's also spelled out in 49CFR §177.816(b) and (c) "Driver Training" Specialized requirements for cargo tanks and portable tanks. If you've got more than 1000 gallons you'll need a CDL with the endorsements.

    As far as including the fuel tanks as part of the shipment I have always been told that the fuel to run the engine is not a load and is not offered as shipment. I've looked for the requirement and have not found any yet so I could be wrong but I have never seen the fuel part as the load. It may be required if you are towing a vehicle which holds more than the required amount but I have not found any refereance for that either.
     
  8. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    If fuel is not a load why are flammable fueled vehicles rated hazmat class 9 , UN3166 requiring $1 million liability insurance ?

    http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/cn/Engines,%A0internal%A0combustion,%A0flammable%A0gas%A0powered.html
     
  9. dieselbear

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  10. dieselbear

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    GasMan are you sure. I think the answer will surprise you.
     
  11. dieselbear

    dieselbear Road Train Member

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    GasMan try 383.91 of the CFR Title 49. Here is the interpretation in the regulations. This is why it drives the newbies crazy, they answer like you. But here is the correct answer, and yes I have had this a few times over the years. Also had a tow service call yesterday and pose the same question. That gave me the idea to ask the forum what they thought. PS Anderson the only one so far that knew it. Anyway here it is:

    Question 10: Do tow truck operators who hold a CDL require endorsements to tow ''endorsable'' vehicles?

    Guidance: For CDL endorsement purposes, the nature of the tow truck operations determines the need for endorsements:

    'If the driver's towing operations are restricted to emergency ''first moves'' from the site of a breakdown or accident to the nearest appropriate repair facility, then no CDL endorsement of any kind is required.

    'If the driver's towing operations include any ''subsequent moves'' from one repair or disposal facility to another, then endorsements requisite to the vehicles being towed are required.

    Exception: Tow truck operators need not obtain a passenger
    endorsement.

    That being said, if a tanker breaks down on the shoulder or is involved in a collision and it is the first tow, an emergency tow, no endorsements are needed, period. Now if it's at truck stop/scale facility/repair shop, all endorsements that apply are needed.
     
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