Anybody run?

Discussion in 'Driver Health' started by Big Road Skateboard, Jul 16, 2023.

  1. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    BTW, I was mistaken. My 24 week plan was actuallly a 20 week plan.

    I got into week 1 a bit, then postponed it till June 1st.

    It included an aerobic threshold test, an anaerobic threshold test, a glute med test, and lots of Z2 work

    Depending on the glute med test, it adds in either hill spints, or glute med strength work.

    Depending on the results of the aerobic and anaerobic threshold tests, it's either lots of Z2 if like me you're aerobically defecient, or lots of Z1 if you're not aerobically defecient.
     
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  3. DeereRunner97

    DeereRunner97 Medium Load Member

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    I have such a hard time with Z2. The latest plan I’m doing is based around heart rate instead of pace. There’s some days I just cruise at a good rate and heart rate and then there’s days where my body has no idea what’s going on.

    I did a test similar to what you’re talking about while I was in Denver. It was kind of eye opening I guess because I learned I don’t push myself that hard in a sense.

    How’s everything else going with you? Have you been filling in the non running/hiking days with weights still?
     
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    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    For me, ego has a lot to do with it too. It pisses me off to see my heart rate at 140, but my pace is 11 minutes for whatever reason. It's hot, more humid, or I'm at a much higher elevation.

    It's hard to just trust that it works, even though I know it does. My paces have steadily improved.

    Yeah, still hitting the weights, and I carry 30-50lbs on my hikes to add in some muscular endurance.
     
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    DeereRunner97 Medium Load Member

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    I one hundred percent agree with that it’s an ego thing. I’m seeing my brother throw down 8:30-8:45 miles. I know I can keep up with him, but the training plan says to do differently.

    This is probably a dumb question, but what elevation are you at? Columbus sits at roughly 775-900. Obviously there’s humidity and all that good stuff.

    I have noticed that the dry heat makes me dehydrated quicker. I kind of like the higher elevation, it takes some time to get the breathing in rhythm. Going to run a few miles in SLC and then Nampa, Idaho. The it’s back to Denver for my long run Sunday.

    Have you noticed running gains with the lifting weights and carrying it while hiking? Maybe some cardio gains too?
     
  6. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    I'm basically at sea level for most runs at home, unless I get in the mountains. Then it's 1k-2.5k'.

    Yeah, that dahm ego. I usually run in the early mornings before sunrise, and running at a HR of 140, I will automatically pick up the pace and break my 140 HR, when I see headlights. Subconsciously, I want to be seen running faster.

    And yeah, I'm pretty sure I can break into the 7's on pace, but I would be high zone 3, and that's not in my training plans right now.

    I'm still unsure on the weight training and any running gains that would be visible. Obviously it takes strong legs to handle big climbs, but it's hard to gauge over a long, slow progression.

    I think more of it helping my durability. I'm not a young guy anymore at almost 50, and I don't think I could handle the running volume (without injury) without the strength training. My ultra training plan includes a good bit of strength work too. Mainly deadlifts IIRC.

    I don't have a lot of knowledge in that area still, but I'm lifting for max strength, not to gain muscle size.

    From my understanding, which isn't much, you can gain strength without bulking with max lifts at low reps.

    Endurance is max reps at a given weight, and hypertrophy is near max lifts at 10ish? reps.

    I may have the strength part all backwards, but I'm doing a 5x5 program.
    Maybe @AModelCat or @TripleSix could give a better understanding there.
     
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    The way the body works, if you can’t balance/stabilize the load, you can’t lift it, regardless of weight. So to build real world useable strength instead of just being muscular but weak, hit the exercises that target the stabilizing muscles primarily.
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    Dumbells/kettlebells>barbells>machines. It is easier to barbell bench 315lbs than it is to dumbbell press a pair of 100lb dumbbell. The machines do not require the user to stabilize the weight and so you can lift more weight. But will lifting more make you stronger? On that machine YES but real world everyday strong? Ummm, no…you are wasting your time.

    Build up the core. Bench with your feet held off the floor. Do your shoulders presses standing. Be sure to allow the SHOULDERS the proper recovery time. If you are going to injure yourself in the gym, odds are greatly in favor of the shoulder injury.

    2. Power cleans, dumbbells and barbells
    https://youtube.com/shorts/8V8QBRCYOO4?si=MW7aWorkH2jRBmzp
    want terrifying strength? Power cleans.

    Want to build incredible strength PLUS stamina? Farmer’s carry. As soon as you start, you will feel it in the lungs.

    3. Having great strength without being really big can be done too. Regular cardio will prevent you from becoming too bulky. My background was private security. The last thing you ever want to do is to be a big guy with zero stamina. If you ever run out of gas throwing hands, better be prepared to take a Hebrew slave arse whuppin.

    4. The body responds to how you train it.
    https://youtube.com/shorts/9SMr9vEzwXA?si=CVWbUMacEP-gQdmU
    You can be both fast and powerful. It’s all in how you train.
     
  8. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    Good info Six! Thanks

    I do incorporate all those into my lifts, and really like those heavy farmers carries.

    A couple I added in this last 3 weeks are rear foot elevated split squats, single leg RDL's, and single arm dumbell bench press.

    For a guy who think my legs are pretty darn strong, those split sqats made me realize I've definitely got some weaknesses there.

    Single leg RDL's look so simple and easy. I had never done them before because they look too easy. They also made me realize my single leg stability is lacking.

    And the one armed DB bench press is also a new one that surprises me.

    My main work has been bench, OH press, squat, deadlifts, walking lunges, and pull ups.
     
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    When you use dumbbells instead of barbells and machines you find out just how strong you aren't lol.

    I definitely notice I lose 2-3 reps lifting the same weight with dumbbells vs barbell. I usually mix it up, sometimes I use dumbbells to work on the stabilizing muscles but I also use barbells for putting more stress on the main muscles. I'm also sort of lazy at times and it's quicker and easier to just grab a pair of dumbbells and rep out a few sets of bench vs setting up and putting away a barbell on the rack.
     
  10. DeereRunner97

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    Not much going on in my world of running. Just been putting base miles down for now and keeping my endurance up. My brother talked me into a 50K trail race at the end of June. I’ve never ran a full marathon, so why not run more than a full! I never claimed to be smart, but it’s a pretty cool concept.
    Trail Golf Endurance Challenge — Trailblazer Running

    I went to the bike shop yesterday to look around, really just went in for water bottle holders as it didn’t come with any. I walked out and signed up for a 70 mile ride the weekend before the 50K. The main loop was 60 miles, then there was a section for an additional ten miles. So in my head I’m thinking what’s another ten miles on top of sixty already. I never claimed to be intelligent.

    Then this evening I signed up for another trail race at the beginning of August. Hopefully I didn’t overload my schedule, because I have two full road marathons to complete. One in October and one in December. Recovery is going to be key from here on out. Prioritize stretching and some strength to aid my goals.
    Buckeye Moon Trail Runs (Night Trail Racing)- 26K, 20K, 13K, & 7K - Greenswell
     
  11. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    That is a pretty full schedule for sure.

    I bet you'll be fine. That low impact bike work will probably be really good for those days where you need some recovery work, especially with summer heat coming.

    Have you tracked heart rate any during these rides? I would think it would be pretty easy to cruise in Z2, but I've not done the road bike thing.

    I almost broke out the bike yesterday evening for a ride. I'll get around to it pretty soon, but it's not very easy for me.

    May have to grab a road bike just to see what it's about.
     
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