Black balling and DAC

Discussion in 'Trucker Legal Advice' started by Pattycak, Jun 27, 2007.

  1. Pattycak

    Pattycak Bobtail Member

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    Here is a story for all truckers...its the story of how a company and a hospital destroyed my husbands trucking career. My husband was an owner operator and was sent by the carrier he was working for to have a random drug test. Upon arriving at the hospital, he was unable to go. They contacted the carrier and stated he "refused" a drug test. This entire process was 30 minutes long, forget about the 3 hour time period allowed by federal law. The carrier in turn reported it to DAC. Naturally this resulted in a black ball situation.

    Ready for the best part? Neither the hospital nor the former carrier have a copy of the 49 CFR Part 40 Federal Drug Testing Custody and Control Form better known as the "CCF"!!! Somehow the hospital misplaced it! They have no proof that he passed, failed or refused this random drug test, however he was terminated on the spot because of it. It was placed on his DAC record, and his career as a driver was over.

    We have been involved with this lawsuit for 4 1/2 years. We go to trial in November. We have lost everything, our home, cars, the rig and ended up bankrupt because of it.

    The funny part of the whole thing is the Federal Government. All these rules and regulations are for the driver period. No one cares if a carrier was wrong or if a hospital failed to perform their duties as medical professionals regarding the sensitivity of drug testing for drivers. Everything falls on deaf ears. The driver is always wrong. No one from the federal government will even investigate what happened to my husband, however they will jump down any truckers throat if god forbide they did something wrong.

    My question is this for everyone that reads this story...have any of you ever heard of this happening to someone else? That your labeled and black balled due to a refusal with no copy of the CCF?

    We are going to win this case in November. This win will be for the drivers this time, and this case will set presedence for others who have been wrongfully accused of refusing a drug test in hopes that no one will ever have to experience the pain that we have endured with this nightmare.

    After this case is over, I will post what company this was to warn other drivers not to work for them.

    Thank you all for reading my post. Stay safe and keep on rolling!

    Pattycak
     
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  3. Truckin Juggalo

    Truckin Juggalo Medium Load Member

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    i remember reading a post similar last year but it didn't have to do with the Drug test, i was a bogus DUI charge, i think the driver posted something like he was on home time and had some alcohol the night before he returned to work and mentioned to safety (i cant remember exactly) but they said he came to work DUI and blackballed his DAC and Fired him i think he even asked to have a BAC test done..

    its on this forum somewhere.. i cant remember it completely maybe someone else does
     
  4. Pur48Ted

    Pur48Ted Road Train Member

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    Something somewhat similar happened to me several years ago. Leased with Landstar, I was called in the morning and informed that my "number was up", and directed to the closest Med Station. I "peed" no problem but was informed by this med station that the person that administered the BAC wasn't able to come in that day and I had to report to another Med Station on the OPPOSITE side of LA for the BAC test. I told them no, and showed them the Regulations after they threatened to report to Landstar that I had refused the BAC test.
    However, here is the difference; Landstar stood up for me and voided the test completely.
     
  5. MGASSEL

    MGASSEL Road Train Member

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    What they should of done is wait and had your hubby drink some water.

    I was on the onther end when I had to do one for school I was drinking plenty of fluids before going to the place and then I was sitting there trying not to pee all over myself they made me wait for aprox 2 hours even though I had to go right then.
     
  6. weggie

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    If you don't mind - who are you suing? I don't want names - but is it the trucking company, the hospital, the feds, DAC; or all of the above.

    Good luck - I hope you hit the lottery on this one. Sounds like you deserve it.
     
  7. Pattycak

    Pattycak Bobtail Member

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    Hi Everyone, and thanks for your responses.

    I am new, and hope I am replying correctly.

    Question was who are we suing. We are suing both the Company and the Hospital.

    Unfortunately, its very difficult to sue DAC. I had heard that OOIDA sued them but lost. Not quite sure on that story. However DAC is a reporting agency and all they do is report. They report whatever their client tells them. They don't have to check it out, they don't need proof. Best part, even if a driver were to write and dispute something on their record, nothing will change for the driver, he will still be blackballed. It boils down to their word against yours, and guess who wins? Not the truck driver thats for sure!

    I WISH we could sue DAC too. It just seems so unjust that a simple entry on ones record could destroy their whole world. Expecially when its not true! Good luck getting it off your record. Alcohol and drug stay on DAC record for 7 years! No carrier will hire you with a refusal on your DAC. Say goodbye to current experience. Work for peanuts in 7 years.

    As far as the Federal Motor Carriers, thats a joke too. All these guys do is hammer the driver. God forbid your overweight, or your logbook isn't current. BUT let them make a terrible mistake to YOU, and you can't even find someone that works for them to investigate the company or hospital error. No one cares, your just a truck driver. That to me is sad.

    My husband was a truck driver with 23+ years with millions and millions of miles under his tires. He started with this company and worked for them for 5 years as a company driver, and in his 6th year he entered into a lease-purchase agreement. He finally grabbed that brass ring. He bought his own rig. He had 5 payments left and it was his. It didn't happen. He couldn't pee. Was terminated on the spot. Labeled a drug refusal. DAC entry. The rest is hell history.

    As sad as this whole story is, it just makes me more mad and more determined. At trial, both the company and the hospital will be sad. Sad that the fact that they both screwed up and it became public record exposing them for the mishandling of someones life that holds a CDL. This time it wasn't the drivers fault, and they are going to be held accountable for their actions.

    Stay safe and keep on rolling!

    Pattycak
     
  8. MGASSEL

    MGASSEL Road Train Member

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    You can ask the judge to order that the refusal be removed from his dac and can not be disclosed by dac or the company as part of the full and final sattlement. If the company discloses it to potential future employers after the case is over once sucessfull then you motion the court that the company disclosed the info and then the judge can nail the company again.
     
  9. Pattycak

    Pattycak Bobtail Member

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    Here is more on this company.

    Not only did they report to DAC, they included a comment on the DAC record which read - "Call for Verbal".

    Has anyone ever heard of that type of statement being placed on a DAC record???

    A call for verbal? Federal law states a form is to be sent from a potential employer to the former employer to be completed when considering a driver for employment which would detail the drivers driving record with them.

    The company never has answered any potential company in writing.

    However would "verbally" black ball when a potential employer inquired about the driver. Great way to cover their ##*, or so they think.
    They would never reply in writing, thus the driver did not get the job.

    These companies have gotten slick now. When a potential driver applies, they immediately ask for your social security number (trust me, they check your DAC). You'll never hear from that potential employer again, believe me!

    Keep safe, and keep on rolling

    Pattycak
     
  10. Tip

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    One day, one of these outfits is gonna play games and try to cover its ### when it's screwing around the wrong driver. What happens next will go something like this:

    1. Driver finds out he's being screwed and decides he's not gonna be screwed.

    2. Driver buys a semi-auto .30-06, a semi-auto 9mm, and a case of ammo for both.

    3. Driver enters his offending terminal with the above.

    4. CNN news flashes tell us of the resulting carnage. The shooting at Tech will look like a small incident.


    The only thing I wonder is why this hasn't happened already. A truck driver is somebody I wouldn't screw with. I know there are truck drivers out there that are so wacked they'll crash their trucks into buildings, such as the Dick Simon driver who smashed the California state capitol building. Some drivers will fight to the death over something as silly as a CB radio. No way would I cheat a driver in any way, shape, or form. But many are, meaning the fuse is burning, ladies and gentlemen. How many are gonna die when it goes Kaboom?
     
  11. 25(2)+2

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    I question whether it is legal to give only a verbal. I hope that blows up so badly that the lawyer(s) advising it are disbarred. To be fired for a test that can't be documented has no foundation.

    I was badly injured in my early adult years, and I had to ask the technician for a test one time to hurry it up, because those injuries are still painful.

    If you can't produce enough or any urine, the standard procedure is to give you water to drink and wait for awhile, there is not really a hurry as long as you don't leave. I usually drink a cup of coffee or soda on the way to the test now.

    My last random was about a week ago, they now check the temp. with a test strip that changes color, they also did the Breathalyser, I was unlucky twice to have to take that, they do it to 1/4 of the randoms now, I was told.

    As far as anyone answering to anything but the CDL driver, I hope the court in this case makes them pay dearly for the harm they caused your husband and you, they can cost us drivers thousands for their negligence, and we usually have no recourse.
     
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