Braking Issues

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by MX127, Dec 24, 2019.

  1. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    1st pic shows oil on the brakes.

    2nd and 3rd pics are on the wrong side of the brakes. Nothing really happens on that side. Need to see what the cam side looks like. That's the side that operates the brakes.

    The pics that @SmallPackage posted is the cam side.

    Can't see a good view of the brake and drum in pic #3. But the brake looks very close to being worn out. And the drum appears to be allright but rusty.

    I could be wrong on pic #2 but I don't think that right side spring is supposed to connect to where it's at. It's supposed to connect both brake shoes together. Resting on the s cam.

    Look at the pics posted up above.
     
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  3. MX127

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    New information. It's the back axle with the parking brake chambers that is locking.

    Could the springs be compounding, service and parking?

    Something I found odd was, the 4 way split off the r12, has only 2 lines coming off it. Later, these lines are split, running to the rear axle chambers. The other 2 ports on the r12 are plugged.
     
  4. SmallPackage

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    Looks like a leaking wheel seal for sure in that pic. Hope someone didn't just spray em down with a liquid lube.
    The gap is really large between lining and drum.
    I’m still voting on the wrong series shoes.
    Example= someone put on “P” series instead of “Q” series. Or vise-versa or something along those lines.
     
  5. SmallPackage

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    If you look at the arch difference between top and bottom shoe they look mismatched. More arch on top shoe than bottom. Wider gap on top than bottom to drum.
     
  6. MX127

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    I'll get better photos tomorrow. It's been raining the last few days and humid, my truck hasn't moved.
     
  7. MX127

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    Yes, the spacing has been off since the work was done a few months ago.
     
  8. SmallPackage

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    You should investigate that.
    If someone had swapped out the axle housings or wheel ends for what ever reason there is a 100% chance it uses different parts than what kw put on it originally. In that case using the vin to get parts is useless. They have to matched to what those rears were built with.

    I have seen trucks with 2 different axle housings that needed 2 different styles of shoes on the tandems of the same truck.
     
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  9. snowwy

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    When the brakes cam over. They don't move. And can cause lockup if the issue is forced and there's enough brake pad still.

    I've had that happen once. BAck off the brake adjuster. That loosened the brakes. And drove the 200 highway miles back to yard.

    It was the right rear axle.

    Try backing off the adjuster and see what happens.
     
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    Installed new spring brake chamber and R-12 valve, problem solved.

    Do to the fact the last drive axle has the parking brakes and was sensitive to locking up during braking, I believe a failed piston seal was the cause. The piston seal is designed to separate the two air chambers, both service spring and parking spring preventing them from compounding.

    Though I can not 100% rule that out because both parts, the R-12 and brake chamber were replaced simultaneously, if faulty either one can cause the same issue.

    Because the first drive was less susceptible to locking up under braking, reasonably deducting, I believe the R12 did not fail (I am going to open and inspect it soon).

    Only one set of air lines tied into the R12 valve supplies both axles. That set of lines later split "T" off supplying the rear axle chambers by two additional air lines. I found this unusual that both axles were not supplied by two separate sets of air lines directly from the R12 valve. Understanding the first axle performed well, ruled out the possibility of the R12 failing. The only difference between the two axles was the parking breaks on the second axle.

    Therefore I believe brake compounding was caused due to a failed chamber piston seal. As a failed seal causes air loss, leading to both left and right rear axle wheels becoming sensitive to brake skidding. Both parking brake springs are connected to one parking brake valve, both lose air simultaneously, internally leaking into the service brakes (like a failed double check valve) inturn multiplying force against the slacks by compounding both service and parking brake springs. No air leaks were detected.

    Never the less, problem solved. I can return the treadle valve for a refund.

    I cannot thank you all enough for your knowledgeable understanding and willingness to help me. Your information and experience is priceless and I value each and everyone of you from the bottom of my heart!!

    God bless you all in Jesus name =)
     

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  11. x1Heavy

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    Each chamber has a spring, that is your emergency and your parking.

    Regular service braking is provided by sufficient pressure to keep that spring out of the way for lack of a better word.

    There are more springs near the cams but I don't know enough about those other than to examine to be sure the rollers and springs are in place.
     
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