CARB and Brokers

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by BigBadBill, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    Posted this in another thread but thought it would be good to get a broader reach.

    Email today from a customer that is an ex-CHR manager. Said larger brokers are starting to track tractor age for CARB. And that certain ones have a red bar pop-up that says "not CA legal".

    Now, if I was a smart broker looking to get the best rate from you this would be very good information. I now know if you are calling on a load in TX that you really only have options going East (or North).

    Knowledge is power. You all can figure out on your own how to tip those scales.
     
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  3. sjmay

    sjmay Light Load Member

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    Except it's not going the reverse, knowing that a driver is CARB Compliant is not showing up in rates going to CA, they are still suppressed by a lot
     
  4. wichris

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    Every broker was required to start this on 1/1/13. Going to be hard to enforce the broker end unless you have a nexus in CA. We started requireing the last 8 of the truck vin# a few months ago,reefer checked @ carb for compliance and a rate confirmation that states the trailer meets carb specs.

    Sunday night they had 7 trucks at the Yermo bug station shut down for the reefers. We have cross docked a few onto our trailers last year.
     
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  5. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    Report just release today from BB&T shows rates the first two weeks in and out of CA are up almost $.50/mile. Now, are small carriers doing a good enough job not taking a bad rate I can't comment on.

    Somewhat related, rates have been up in many markets in January and capacity has been tight. Doesn't stop a broker from offering a cheap rate and someone from taking it.

    Rates being up and carriers having the knowledge and ability to get the better rates doesn't go hand in hand. Relates back to one of my biggest issues with this industry. People are going into business with ZERO understanding of the business side.

    I see no reason that a carrier would have to give this information to a broker unless they are taking a load into CA. They may ask and for some it may be an innocent question. But I have a long enough track record on here for you all to know that I am not one of those conspiracy nuts that thinks the government is out to sterilize me.

    There are brokers that I will work with but don't trust. The more information a TQL or CHR has about what I can and can't do is just another tool for them to drive the rate down.

    Early on I had someone ask me for a copy of my CAB card to make sure I was legal to run in the states I was hauling for. I refused as it seemed odd and ended up not running the load for other reasons.
     
  6. wichris

    wichris Road Train Member

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    We only do it on loads into,out of,or intrastate CA. Some of the carriers that we load a lot have given the truck/trailer and reefer info to us before ever doing a load there. Our dispatch system will show CARB compliant as soon as you enter the carrier.

    Many of our shippers are checking the equipment as it comes in for compliance. We've already had a couple of carriers give false info and then get turned away at the shipper.
     
  7. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    Well, if you are running in CA then that is just plain stupid. I am more talking about the driver that says they are never going to CA and tell TQL that they are in a 2000 FLD. Ding, ding, ding - may as well have a ocean sitting on the NM boarder of TX.

    BB&T report on rates from CA mentioned all the companies and carriers that where not prepared for this. Claiming they didn't know or they didn't think if would happen.

    One NV company just bought a bunch of used equipment and spent a ton money servicing them because it was cheaper than newer equipment and they do 100% loads into So Cal and back. Guess we know why it was cheaper. Someone dumping non-compliant tractors.
     
  8. wichris

    wichris Road Train Member

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    You wouldn't belive how many say they never heard anything about it. Even the ones that run for us every week. I've had one person in the office do nothing but help them register since the middle of december.
     
  9. RedForeman

    RedForeman Momentum Conservationist

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    * yawn *

    It will balance out just like every other stupid regulation CA imposes on commerce. You're original statement is based on the false pretense that CA sets the standard for the rest of North America, when in fact the reverse is probably more accurate.

    Flagging tractor age may give them greater leverage on pricing westbound loads to or near CA, but that's about it. Broader impact will not occur for the same reasons there will never be an independent embargo on cheap rates.

    A more likely scenario IMO will be the major DCs shut down all but a few CA facilities, and serve them with CARB compliant equipment. Places like Yuma, Vegas, and Reno will become the next "border towns."

    I know for a fact that CHR cross-docks FL-bound freight in ATL. Move it cheaper to ATL and only take the rate hit on the shorter leg into FL. Since we don't move far enough west to know first hand, I can only guess they already are doing the same thing outside of CA.
     
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  10. rollin coal

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    It's crazy how a CA carrier doesn't have a clue about CARB regs, you said they just bought 40 trucks year models 2000-2003 wow man and all they run is CA freight, what a huge mistake...... That one goes back to something discussed a long time ago that a lot of these mom and pop carriers, even if they've been in the game for decades, lots of them don't have any business aptitude and it's amazing they get by as they do.. In that respect it's not hard to believe at all...
     
  11. rollin coal

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    Red you really need to get some rose colored lenses you're killing us lol
     
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