CARB compliant...

So you're going to start buying 7 year old trucks with 800K on them?

So many of you are missing the big picture. As California goes so goes the rest of America.
California is allowed to strong arm their citizens because of people who say "47 other states dont have those rules"...
They may not have them on the books but if you buy a new truck and remove the EPA mandated emissions equipment, that is a Federal crime. The EPA has already addressed that, they have found members of Congress who are willing to insert strict punishment into some obscure unrelated bill next year.
Aside from the criminal aspect, what about voiding your warranty on your new truck? What about not being able to sell it when it has the emissions equipment removed? Or you could just buy a pre-'08 truck with 800K on it and deal with all those problems...

Have you noticed that we dont have the option of "49 state emissions" or pay extra for "California emissions equipment" like we had on cars for years? Guess what, your new car has it whether you wanted it or not. The way I see it is YOU are going to pay an extra $10,000 for that DPF/DEF next time you buy a new truck, whether or not you go to California so you might as well go get the big money out there.

 

When i read this thread,i find it strange that the O/O aren't really looking if they can make money running CARB trucks.

and isn't making money why we bought our own truck in the first place?

I don't think it is a smart move for any O/O to be less fexible then any major fleet.

 

I don't buy the "as California goes, so goes the rest of the country" ideology. A majority of the country still does no emissions testing on any vehicles, and there are no restrictions. While it is true that new production vehicles have California emissions stuff on them, older vehicles in the majority of the country never are tested for emissions after sold. While it may be true that the EPA or whomever may disallow the glider truck game with pre-emission engines, there is no hint of any other states wanting to implement California style emission policies. Not sure why anyone would want to spend the additional cost to buy a new truck with all the emissions stuff and then spend more to take it off, when you can buy a new truck with a pre-emission engine put in it for substantially less, and still have full warranty like a comparable new truck with all that junk. If one is able to keep California off their operations plan, then going with a truck with a pre-emission engine is a no brainer.

 

So tell me...do u do everything the government says to do?

 

Maybe he does. I am glad the founders of this country didn't cow to the established government (Britain). Guntoter did mess up with his comment...

"The way I see it is YOU are going to pay an extra $10,000 for that DPF/DEF next time you buy a new truck, whether or not you go to California so you might as well go get the big money out there."

I bought a new 2013 Columbia (avatar picture) and did not have to purchase SCR/DPF for it. It is just running a pre-egr Series 60 with no problems and is titled and registered as a 2013 truck. Not an emissions device in sight.

 

My gripe with the carb stuff is that they are going after private trucks but there are tons of school busses driving around belching nasty black smoke. The smoking trucks have been gone for years. The last ones were the garbage trucks but they do not smoke now.

 

School buses are on CARB's list as well. Just in a different time frame.

 

"Government cant make me wear a seatbelt"...
"Government cant tell me I cant talk on a cellphone"...
"Government cant tell me I have to wear a motorcycle helmet"...
"Government cant tell me I cant own a gun"...
"Government cant make me put emissions equipment on my truck"...
BLA BLA BLA...

They cant make YOU put it on your truck but they can make Cat do it, you old timers keep telling yourselves that Cat or Detroit are going to run a special dedicated assembly line for the 3% of truck buyers who will "take California off their operations plan". Im going to go ahead with my plans to run DEF trucks because I have enough irons in the "fightin' gubmint" fire. I suppose if I didnt live 120 miles from California I may have a different opinion but ruling out the 8th largest economy in the world that happens to be a two hour drive from my front door sounds more self destructive than anything else I could do to my business.

 

So what's your plan for giving up your GUNS ?? lol

 

There is one heck of a lot of trucks that have taken CA off their operation plan or didn't even run there to begin with. Sure, CA is the 8th largest economy in the world, but there are more than enough emissions compliant trucks available to run that. I haven't been in CA since the last century. Hasn't phased me a bit. I don't follow your logic on "they can't make me do it, but they can make Cat do it". No government entity is forcing Cat, Detroit, Cummins to put emissions stuff on pre-egr rebuilt engines going into existing trucks or gliders.

CAT, Detroit, and Cummins are doing jam up business factory rebuilding pre-egr engines for putting in existing trucks or brand new glider trucks. Detroit had to open up another plant just to handle the volume. I can't recall the name of the process, but I read an article recently where they have developed a technique for "spraying" metal to build up used blocks that would have been trashed in the past instead of being rebuilt. So, your "only 3%" who do not have CA on their operation plans is off by a good margin. All in all, it just makes good financial sense to go with pre-egr if one's operation doesn't demand emissions compliancy. There are a lot of owners and companies that will never see CA anytime soon. Even though CA may be the 8th largest economy in the world, the US as a whole is in the top 2. There is a lot of stuff moving around that has nothing to do with CA.

For those that have a need, then buying emissions trucks for compliance with CA is not a bad or good option. It is just a cost of doing business. Where you live and who you are doing business with factors into that. If it is necessary, then by all means, do what you have to do. For those of us that will NEVER go to CA again, not having anything to do with whether we like it or not, it doesn't make much sense to pay for all the stuff we don't need. It is legal, it has significant tax advantages, and the overall cost of buying and operating is substantially less. No brainer. Some of us have developed customers that have no need to send anything that direction. And even trucking companies that have only a percentage of freight that does, they can buy only the number of emissions trucks they need to do that, and leave all the rest of their trucks pre-egr. I know of two companies that their entire fleet is nothing but glider trucks with pre-egr engines in them.

So, it just isn't us old geezers that are sticking to pre-emissions trucks. I am quite happy with my new 2013 Freightliner with a factory rebuilt pre-egr Detroit in it. Many others are happy with the gliders they have done also. It is all about choices and which works best. And there are a lot of them being built. Just my dealer is building 8 a week. In December, they have to build over 30 before Christmas. That is one dealer. And the gliders they sell out strips the number of new emission trucks they sell by several times. Having a tough time getting my arms around the minuscule 3% you mention.