Carefully read your rate cons...

Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by Dino soar, Oct 8, 2020.

  1. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    I called on a load today and I negotiated a rate for it and all was good.

    Well I get the rate con and this was food product. The Rate con says that upon signing I agree that if the receiver rejects that shipment, for any reason whatsoever- regardless of whose fault it was or not, I agree to haul it back to the shipper for $1.75 a mile.

    For a short-haul operator that's just about for free, not to mention the $40 Bridge toll I would have to pay to get it back to the shipper, and God knows how long it would take them to get it off of my truck.

    Then, it says detention will be paid after 3 hours at the rate of $25 an hour.

    I generally try to get a good rate and whatever detention is it's just extra, but to me that is unacceptable because that just tells the shipper they can take their time and keep the carrier there for however long and throw you a couple pennies and then they can make you take the product back for nothing.

    Always read that rate con fully from top to bottom including what penalties are and where your paperwork has to go and check calls macropoint etcetera whatever.

    I have no problem being responsible with the load or check calls or whatever else, but that crap they can stick it.
     
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  3. loudtom

    loudtom Heavy Load Member

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    I think it was addendum D on the Coyote setup contract, that had some language about hauling for $1.10 per mile. I couldn't think of any scenario where that was acceptable. If the rate agreed upon in the rate con takes priority, then there is no reason to even have that $1.10 clause included in the contract. Maybe they want to cover their bases in case the load needs to be moved after getting rejected or something, but not at my expense.
     
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    User666 Medium Load Member

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    So did you cancel the load or renegotiate? I always put my AP on the rate con or in an email and have them write back agreeing to it. I run into similar stuff like that regularly myself. The tracking is a newish one for me. Twice this week a broker threw it on the rate con as a requirement even though we didn't discuss it. I told them we charge $150 for tracking and to reread our Accessorial Policy again for details. Both times, they immediately said it was NOT required. Funny how that works. Who would say no to free services? Can't blame them but more carriers need to stop giving everything away for fee. They're literally bleeding revenue otherwise.
     
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    User666 Medium Load Member

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    Coyote has the largest Agreement I've ever seen because of all those ridiculous addendums. I never even completed the process! When they inquired about it I told them I would not be doing business with them and promptly added them to our Do Not Haul List.
     
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  6. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    I called the broker but one of his associates said he was busy on the phone. I waited for a while on the phone and then I just hung up so that I can start looking at other loads.

    I sent the broker an email and I explained to him that that's not acceptable and that I was declining the load and I never heard back from him.

    I know that a lot of carriers say that they change the terms and the Brokers are okay with that but at least this broker I don't think he could have cared less.

    The company that is.

    I think that they probably do a lot of food product and it's often rejected and the trucks are waiting and waiting and that's their way to stick it to the carrier.

    Maybe you can explain to me more of what is negotiable and how I can do that. You can even p.m. me if you like.

    Just seems to me though if I get a load that is really well paying as long as there isn't anything crazy on the rate con like this one, then I'm generally okay with it.
     
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    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    I did not realize that. I only did one load for coyote and it paid really well and everything went well, but I didn't see that in the agreement.

    I will have to look into that.
     
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    User666 Medium Load Member

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    If you have specific questions feel free to ask and I'll answer to the best of my ability but everything is negotiable. As long as you get your rate that's all that matters. I don't bill accessorials often because the customer is well aware they're being charged for the truck past 2 hours so they usually load/unload me before other trucks that aren't charging OR they're charging less than me so I still get loaded/unloaded before them. It happens all the time. I did a $250 TONU the other day because I was told the load was no tarp but once I arrived the Shipper disagreed and demanded tarping service. Since we don't offer it as a service I billed them for it. They sent me an update rated con within minutes.

    Little things happen. It's just part of doing business. However, you never really know when they'll rear their ugly heads and bite you. This is why I always get the AP agreed to in writing no matter how well the line haul pays. Had a run fall apart a couple weeks ago that was paying $3/mile on 1200. That would have been a $3600 for the total round trip for me. The broker felt that the line haul rate was enough and refused to agree to the AP so I passed on it. Maybe there would have been no issues but I don't like taking chances. I'm not much of a gambler and in this unpredictable business rolling the dice is just crazy to me.
     
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