Cat injectors

I'm glad you have noticed the transition in me. That was something I was going to point out to you earlier when I got aggravated about this thread and Lenny's referral to the Christmas Poo.

First and foremost you took my post as a threat to your prospective new business venture. I've been self-employed for many years, if I wanted to grow a business to more than myself as an employee, I could have. I'm not willing to aggressively grow into a large company doing the things I do. I'm actually fed up with what I do and would like to do something else, but I need to eat

Second what I meant by this post is that if anybody buys an injector from you they are getting a better injector than they can buy from CAT at this time. It isn't the perfect injector, but it is a good injector. I don't want to get in depth about why it isn't the best injector that can be built. Part of the problem is caused by the shear number that you have to process to be profitable. This is CATs problem also. My injectors were done by a master that took an extraordinary amount of time to make each one perfect without considering the amount in the cost of his time involved to do this. You PMd me roughly three weeks ago asking about them and the flow rate and part numbers. All I'll say is the tip is a custom tip that to duplicate will take $300 per tip. You will need to build 12 custom tips to get 7 good tips to install on the injector cores. Why the extras you ask...........because each tip is never equal in flow to its cousin, so you need extras to pick the highest flowing and closest to each other from the group to give you the best range of adjustability with trim numbers. You asked earlier and Greg nore I answered you about trim numbers in the dyno testing that is scheduled to be done. That set of injectors have 5 different trims numbers for each injector to raise or lower fuel flow, while also staying perfect balanced to each other. Again the tips on these are custom built and took many more tips to get a set of 6 finished injectors to test

That is what I meant by "Kurt can, it is a matter of is it worth his time" That statement wasn't meant to be threatening to you, as in a price war. Greg doesn't have the time or inclination to build me hundreds of injectors. I don't have the desire to sell hundreds of injectors to people that will argue with me about something they consider an injector problem they are having, when in reality it is something else with the truck or engine. I can't make a living discussing engine problems

The whole post was meant to lead people here in the USA to believe that your injectors wouldn't be a bad investment when compared to CAT injectors. As you learn more, you will hopefully raise the standard for all reman facilities to aspire too

 

i would!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I would as well.

 

Just to through it out there we have someone the same as far-call here in New Zealand.
Also the exchange rate is better the Australia so will get more for your money.
Google "Raglan Diesel Injection" the web site is under construction only because Matt spends all his time on injectors and has been doing them for years and has a great reputation.

 

i need to eat too!!! but id starve for my truck...

 

Now that things have settled down we need to clarify a few things.

Claims of ridiculous Fuel savings are blatant misinformation and will only make ADI look bad when it doesn't happen.

Claims of 240HP gains with 3 sets of Trims is another that is grossly incorrect and when un-achievable makes ADI look bad again.

ADI does a good injector and sadly someone from NZ who has seen 1 set fitted to a truck has become some sort of expert and wants to sell them all over the world which is very adventurous but to post up misinformation about them will only reflect back on the people who are ACTUALLY doing the Injectors and in this case ADI.

Let’s look at the .4 klm/ltr fuel saving claim.

The average C16 in OZ pulling 3 or 4 trailers will use anything from .8klm/ltr to 1.4kml/ltr with the average Loaded fuel consumption being @ 1 to 1.. (1 kilometer to 1 liter of fuel).

Having then made a Claim of .4 klm/ltr gain is to imply a 40% fuel benefit… WOW that is something special!! The problem is when the DASH displays this wonderful saving is it True in this case? NO!! The Dash gets its fuel usage from the ECM which is calculated using the Algo in that given Flash file which has the STD Injector flow rate set in the equation.

When Injectors are installed that flow a greater amount of fuel than in the Fuel tables of that given Flash file it will show an improvement relevant to the increase in fuel from that given injector above the STD. The same applies when using a Higher Trim number.. It will show an improvement in fuel consumption on the display but it’s a blatant error as the algo is no longer correct. There is a correction factor in the ECM configuration and this can be altered to increase or decrease the magnitude of that error but must be done from raw figures obtained from tank to Tank refill volume divided by Distance traveled.

In fact you can plug into the ECM and alter the fuel correction % and do nothing else and the truck will show better fuel figures.. It’s easy to pull the wool over some people’s eyes!

Having said that with a combination of Fuel system issues and Air system issue in combination with a good set of injectors can see a Fuel saving of that magnitude. However if all else is as it should be and just injectors are done it’s simply impossible to obtain 40% fuel saving.

The claims of 240HP with Trims is another Porky Pie and for many varying reasons such as Air flow and temp and being able to burn the extra fuel injected. The size of the tips is very proportional to the HP gains so with different size tips different gains are made and lost. On a Stock C15 with 3 sets of trims you would see something in the magnitude of 4HP per pot per CC of extra fuel. Resulting in @ 12hp by way of 3 trim codes. Multiply this by 6 Cylinders equates to @ 72HP. Again this will vary depending on the Turbo, air temps etc etc but in this instance the bogus claim is solely based on the Injector itself.

Slightly Larger tips will show slightly higher HP but much greater gains in Torque.

This brings me to another interesting statement made that these magical numbers were done in Australia with 3 trailers behind a C16 and these figures could be much higher in the USA because you guys pull much lighter loads and a lot less trailers!!! This blows me away and shows a total lack of understanding of how the diesel fuel system works.

Injectors under light applications are only functioning at a very low % of their capacity and only open up when in Full load position so a greater fuel saving will be seen in HIGH load application and next to nothing in light load applications.

To claim a 40% saving and then say it will be even greater in USA means what? A 50% saving LOL..

ADI does a good injector and he can Calibrate as I taught him how to Calibrate. I know what he is capable of and what his product is like. This product is Reman and basically your buying a 2113025 injector and not a 2113023. It has all new components hence its high price.

ADI does not claim to make these Magical savings and he would be foolish to do so as he knows it’s not possible but others are making these claims and the problem is this will reflect badly on ADI in the long run when these injectors don’t show the 40% claimed by morhp (hayden) and Jeff.

Bottom line is they are a good injector and calibrated correctly which will benefit users but not to the magnitude pushed out on here.

 

I pull super b's at about 140 K and I'm under full throttle often. If I spent $4000 on injectors and saw 5% improvement I'd consider that money well spent. In my application that would be an ROI of less than 6 months.

I see claims of 40% and turn the page. There's no way

I hear 5 to 10% and I'm all ears.

Interesting thread, I hope this pans out well.

 

Not sure anyone is claiming 40%, and we all are most aware that the on board computer fuel economy readings are not always spot on.
So here is another one, Tom Boyd Transport, NSW Australia.
C16 7CZ, rebuilt engine with OEM reman injectors installed. Getting 1.6 kpl single trailer application, hauling wide loads from Newcatle to Perth.
Installed ADI injectors and stage one turbo, or as we call the HP701.
power increase of one full gear, fuel economy increased from 1.6 kpl to 2.1kpl. Obviously a combination of more air and fuel. Around 30% increase in economy. These figures are from actual fuel refil figures vs kilometres.
Not convinced call the guy and talk to him your self, +61427292325 is his cell number.
You be the judge......

 

Which way up were his Piston rings?