Cheating on logs

Yep, ATA, SNI, USX and the like are fighting and have been for a long time to make eobr's mandatory...

 

Where have you been?

They have had that available with the qualcomm for years.

I do not disagree on them fixing the books to their advantage. It will only change when they do not have the ability to modify the books.

 

How much of this is now due to the fact that the "dispatchers, load planners" have learned the better way of doing their jobs?

 

Most of the companies with e-logs are not one shop mom and pop type. You run out of hours you can have somebody else relay the load. Crap happens and sometimes you are late. Its not the end of the world. And not worth the fine by dot and the risk of having your operating authority taking away.

Yes we can move to the dock. (Some docks) Without the E log putting us on the drive line. But we did the same on paper. Give me a break. How many were killed when a driver went 40 feet in the companies parking lot to back up to the dock. That took less then 5 minutes to do, and was back in the sleeper. Knocking out some z's. Some of you act like there's a e log helmet cam that changes your status every time you get out of the truck or move from the sleeper to the drivers seat. I've taken 34 hr restarts in the sleeper, and of course I didn't stay in the sleeper all that time. Stop crying about the recording device. Its the rules that suck and if you didn't have elogs to complain about you would be crying because they make you use a pen instead of a pencil. Or they make you use a book of logs then loose leaf logs.

 

Take it easy there. I was simply trying to give an example.

Like I said, the official company policy is one thing and the real world is another. Anyone who has been driving for more than a few days knows they can make small moves without changing duty status, but the companies take the stand that all moves are to be done on duty, but they set the e-logs to allow drivers to make these moves.

 

Not all companies do that.

The day they make them respond to all movement and put all companies on the equal footing is the day that I will believe these to be truly in place.

Drivers are still not logging as the law states if they can "adjust" to the small moves or companies making them fit their wants.

 

You saying a driver "should' put themselves on line 3 for every inch they move the truck or, are you just stating that it is a the law?
Every company I have drove for that had elogs, I was able to move the truck up to 1 mile before it would go on line 3. I also found that I could driver under 4 mph and it wouldn't even register that the truck was moving. So, I can't say all companies do this but, I can say the 3 I drover for did. They will never tell you these little tricks, that would be breaking the law. They (company) by law have to tell us to log it as you do it. BTW ,,,, Hello Roadmedic...lol

 

Management having control of log book edits sounds like the safest law ever.

 

You have an accident and the attorney gets wind of this, guess who pays the price.

You have knowledge that this is not right, yet comply with it, guess who pays the price.

I am not saying I support it, I am putting this out for drivers to think.

 

I'd say very little, I get 3-5 calls a night from ops asking basic hours of service questions. I would also say that the majority of violations (greater than 1 hour) are due to being told by someone in ops to go ahead and run it. If companies aren't going to train their operations staff on the hours of service and what can and cannot be done with a truck very little will change. Elogs give drivers a leg to stand on if they don't want to be pushed.

Are their certain ways to stretch your book? Sure, but it's much more difficult than it was on paper. As for the example earlier about arriving at 2200 and getting a dock at 0430, I'm not actually worried about that. The amount of work being performed by the driver is negligible, very similar to what would likely happen if they got a phone call or a handful of messages.