Chips and logs

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by johnday, May 29, 2011.

  1. johnday

    johnday Road Train Member

    Looks like I finally landed a job, part time for now, hauling chips, likely logs, and working around the yard with a loader. I've never hauled a chipbox before. These are the bigboys, 53', 6-7 axle, walking floor, Titan trailers. The trucks are T8's, 18spd, Cat and Cummins, and have the short sleeper on them.
    Truck and loader, no big deal, but the trailers are what I'd like info on. I think the front and rear axles are the only lift axles. Now I know these guys are going to be a bear doing corners.
    Any hints/tips on what would be the differences from a regular tandem?
    Anything anyone can think of would be helpful. I just want to get a leg up on them. The owner has me coming in next week to get a drug screen, check out my MVR, and the paperwork, and thank God, offered me to ride along to get a handle on the business. I'm really stoked on this, I've looked at this company, and what they do, and it's what I've wanted to try for a long time, I'll even be driving in the part of the world I want to be in.:biggrin_25525:
     
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  3. hotrod1018

    hotrod1018 Light Load Member

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    ive never hauled the trailers you are talking about but when i lived in MI i hauled a 6 axle tanker mine had the first and last axles were lift axles and they actually turn better than a regular tandem but you gotta watch your tail swing big time on those they will turn real tight and take car in next lane over
     
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  4. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Top heavy, both chips and logs. I believe the chips trailers have a 60" kingpin setting, similiar to trash trailers. And that means those rascals lean bigtime in turns. Good luck.
     
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  5. johnday

    johnday Road Train Member

    Oh alright, ya, since the lead axle is so far forward I can see that, I guess I was thinking because of all the tires scrubbing it would want to go in a straight line more. I know with a regular two axle, I never liked the tandems sucked up all the way because of the tail swing for one thing. I always tried to stay in the 10th-13th hole. I think with the axles being fixed, the trailer would usually handle the same way all the time regarding cornering. Did you have brakes on all the axles?:biggrin_25525:


    Thanks man, I didn't know that about the kingpin, that sure sets the nose close to the cab, something else to get used to.

    How about backing? The same thing as your tandems being all the way back? And how about scaling, I'm thinking you'd get the weight on the trailer, then divide by the number of axles on the ground?
    Bear with me guys, I've never dragged anything but a plain old tandem.:biggrin_2559:
     
  6. hotrod1018

    hotrod1018 Light Load Member

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    yeah you have brakes on all axles. when backing them they react alot faster than a regular tandem
     
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  7. johnday

    johnday Road Train Member

    So, from what you 2 are telling me, the learning curve shouldn't be that steep. How about the kicker inside the trailer, does that move all the way to the rear when unloading? I haven't found a video showing that, only mention that there is minimal cleanup from the driver. Ya, minimal, what the crap is minimal?:biggrin_25520:
     
  8. ronin

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    The tag axles on the trailer (usually) steer during turns, so they aren't so bad - you need to raise the axles before backing because of that steering effect... or things will get ugly. That goes for trailer and truck tag axles.

    Drove a chip truck in Idaho/Montana last summer... kinda fun, really. 105k gross weight with a daycab.. truck was stretched out.
     
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  9. FLATBED

    FLATBED Road Train Member

    Wood chips are very ABSORBANT , let a load sit in the rain ( poor tarps ) and you gain a LOT of weight.
     
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  10. johnday

    johnday Road Train Member

    I thought it might be fun, I even had fun driving a regular tandem. I had no clue those axles steered, that's the kind of stuff I'm hoping to hear!:biggrin_25525:


    Oh, no doubt!! Similar to sand, that stuff can gain weight from a rain cloud 30 miles away!:biggrin_2559:
     
  11. Kittyfoot

    Kittyfoot Crusty Ancient

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    Topheavy..... watch your speed carefully on curves and uneven roads and such. Give yourself some extra room on following distances and the like so you don't wind up having to do something sudden.

    Woodchips.... weight distribution is critical, learn to load even front to back. Weight on chips can vary wildly on type of wood,age (fresh chips compared to ones that are from a yard pile), weather (like flatbed said, chips absorb moisture like a sponge) and a dozen other factors. Worst are Hog Fuel. These are old funky chips from the bottom of a yard pile or made from scrap wood,etc. These are mostly burned in the boilers at the mills. They're usually half rotten, full of water and very heavy.

    Warning: get yerself some dust masks like painters use. Chips are very dusty and Hog Fuel contains all kinds of nasty spores like mold. F--- the macho types, you don't need to be breathing that crap in, trust me.

    Logs..... weight again and even more moisture issues. Green (fresh cut) logs contain alot of water and are heavier. Likewise peeled logs or logs with bark on. Hardwoods are heavier than softwoods. You'll learn this stuff if you ask. Experienced loggers tend to forget the "new guy" doesn't know this.:biggrin_25519:
    Safety issues.... Never forget LOGS MOVE. None are perfectly round or perfectly straight and no matter how tight the bunch looks it's gonna shift and settle. Use every chain/cable/strap you got and check em often. Slack chains will bite ya, you don't want a loose log spearing a car or through the back of your cab.

    Importrant.... always check your load for "deadheads" before chaining up. These are short logs, limbs or even stumps that get accidentally picked up by the loader. ALWAYS wear your hardhat whilst chaining down and safety glasses if ya got em. Remember, these logs have been laying/dragged across the ground and have picked up mud, rocks, loose limbs, etc.

    Remember..... wood trucks take a beating. Your "walkaround" needs to be alot more intense and done alot more often than with a highway rig. Check tire sidewalls (between your duals and inside the tandems) for cuts and punctures. Keep a close eye on stuff like airlines and brakes. Lights are especially short-lived in the woods so learn to change em out and carry spares. DOT is gonna inspect your log truck alot more often.:biggrin_25521:
     
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