Clarification on HOS

Soo ur telling him to take chances doing it illegally?

If he's running paper logs he can drive 3 days straight and have it look legal

 

I love the dont get pulled over part. And thats right,dont give em a reason to. All lights work and obey the speed limit

 

The 100 air-mile radius rule ("short haul exception") is not affected by border crossings; neither state nor international.

 

As your safety director I will try to make this as simple as I can drivers:

11 hours of driving in a 14 hour shift.

Example...you start your "shift" (just woke up and jumped in a the driver seat) at midnight. By the rules you can now drive till 11am (or 11 hours - driving time). You have another 3 hours remaining but cannot drive till you give the government 10 hours of sleeper and/or a combination of sleeper/off-duty time.

Example...you start your "shift" (just woke up and had to unload freight) at midnight and took till 9am in the morning. Your on-duty clock started at midnight and went till 9am (or 9-hours of that 14 hour clock were used up)...you now have 5 hours remaining to drive till you have to shut down (hit the 14 hour rule). Time to give the government 10 hours of sleeper/off-duty time so you can drive again.

Example...you start your "shift" at midnight again and drive for 11 hours. Since your out of hours at 11am...you can either give the government its 10 hours of sleeper/off-duty time or "continue" working just not driving for EVER. The law say nothing about working till you die, you just can't drive again till you give the government their 10 hours sleeper/off-duty time here. BUT!!!!! in this case you have burned up your 60 or 70 hours in a 7 or 8 day period thus your out-of-service till you either regain hours again OR complete a 34-hour reset.

Remember this drivers....FMCSA don't give a rats behind about how long your on-duty...you can work till Jesus Christ comes back on the dock or whatever; but if the Lord comes back and asks you to drive right away...you best reply, "My Lord I would love to but I have to give onto the government its 10 hours of sleeper/off-duty time till I can drive again (or in this case a 34-hour reset).

Give onto Caesar what is Caesar, give to the Lord what is the Lords.

Hope that helps you all.

 

T hanks dogbreath that was very informative and funny. Now how do you regain hours and how should I have handled this. ... I put in my shift and stopped at 1 am took my ten and put in my next shift being I drove for 10.5 now at the recap for the day being the 24 hour period that would show I drive for 11.5 hours that day, is that leagal? I didnt know what to do so ...you dont want to know what I did. But I am having a hard time with the whole regaining hours without a restart thing.

 

Let me do this....Midnight to 1 AM (driving); off-duty/sleeper for now 10 hours then back to work for 10.5 hours, correct? GOOD Your logbook would say this:
Line 1: 10 hours (assuming you logged it all as off-duty here)
Line 2: 0 hours (sleeper, but for the sake of argument here you got a motel room)
Line 3: 11.5 hours
Line 4: 0 hours (since you tell me nothing in your post about on-duty time BUT to keep the eyes of DOT off your butt....in the future you need to log..I suggest to my drivers, 15 minutes of on-duty, not driving time for vehicle inspection (post trip inspection time) as required by FMCSA regulations (396.11).

Total here is only 21.5 hours...your missing 2.5 hours but I assume part of this time was on-duty and off-duty/sleeper again...right?

So off to your question now of how to do a recap:
If you have logbook its best to use the front cover or that grid/box that is in the front there and follow with me...ok?

Enter in all the hours you have spent on line 3 and 4 (ONLY) on the far left for the last seven days prior to this day on the first (far left line) March 19-25. Then enter todays hours used on the eighth line.

Next, now add up all the hours in that first line you just filled in for the last seven days and enter it in column A of the day you just finished now (today is March 25). This is the total amount of hours you worked in the last seven days (think of it as a time card and if you were being paid hourly..this is how many hours you worked and want to be paid on. Okay got that done?

Now on column B of March 25, you take column A's grand total of hours and subtract that from '70' and enter this here. This is will tell you how many hours you can work now tomorrow (if any). If you have a anything about 0...congratulations...that is how many hours you can work tomorrow. If it says 'O'...you can't work tomorrow...read on. Also a negative number either means you did a math error or exceeded your 70 hour limit. SHUT DOWN.

Column C is a grand totally of eight days from the first line on the left. So in this case you would have added March 18-25th.

So when someone asks you how many hours do you regain...look at column B for the answer...its how many hours you have on the 70 rule or...try not to make this confusing, what you gained back after the 8th day. My suggestion is column C is the biggest confusion to most. Column C is a double check of a log...it tells you if you did your math right and did not exceed 70 hours in 8 days (or those operations that only work 6 days a week - 60 hours/7 days).

Summary...regaining hours is what you did on the eighth day....like a hours loan being given back to you to do with what you want. Spend them or save them for the following day.

Hope that helps ya.

 

You need to reread the rules, 395.1.

 

i dont understand why this is so hard to figure out myself
if your new it wont make sense until your out with a trainer doing it in real life
remember driving schools only teach you how to get a license
common sense helps with the rest

of course in training we spent 2 hours on how to write a check to the lumpers
because half the newbies had never written one

 

And you have to log the working as on duty .

 

Yes, that is legal. You can have more than 11hrs in a 24-hr period.