Class A licesce

You don't need a good lawyer to fight it. All you have to do is show the judge the back of your license. The law is written in black and white.

 

Being empty makes no difference on the vehicle(s) GVWR. Your curb weight and GVWR are two different things.

 

Not a flame but you truly have no clue.

No matter what your weight is if the unit is registered for a weight that requires a cdl then your required to have a cdl to operate it.

 

No class A CDL is required for what you described.

Here's the way it works. Licenseing deals strictly with the gross vehicle weight rating(s) (GVRW). I believe it was 2003 or 2005 when it strictly went to the GVRW. Before you could do any combination of either actual operating weight, GVRW or registration weight.

If a guy has a F450 at 16,000 lbs and is pulling a 11,000, lbs trailer, the CGVWR is 27,000 lbs and the trailer is in excess of 10,000 lbs.......Class A CDL required.

Here's the regulation in 383.91

§ 383.91 Commercial motor vehicle groups.

(a) Vehicle group descriptions. Each driver applicant must possess and be tested on his/her knowledge and skills, described in subpart G of this part, for the commercial motor vehicle group(s) for which he/she desires a CDL. The commercial motor vehicle groups are as follows:
Code of Federal Regulations207



(1) Combination vehicle (Group A)—Any combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds)

.(2) Heavy Straight Vehicle (Group B)—Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more), or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) GVWR.

(3) Small Vehicle (Group C)—Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that meets neither the definition of Group A nor that of Group B as contained in this section, but that either is designed to transport 16 or more passengers including the driver, or is used in the transportation of materials found to be hazardous for the purposes of the Hazardous Materials Transportation Act and which require the motor vehicle to be placarded under the Hazardous Materials Regulations (49 CFR part 172, subpart F).

 

Batman,

You keep stating what is required, however you are posting inaccurate information. Sine your from Florida a Class E driver can drive what you say needs a class C CDL.

The Class C CDL is for small buses under 26,000 lbs and haz mat trucks that do not require a CDL B or CDL A.


This really is not that hard to grasp. Everyone keep trying to invent the wheel because somewhere, someone told them that this is what is needed.

 

OK, the part that is confusing here then is the last part of (2) . . . or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 lbs GVWR.

The trailer Zab is referencing is 11K lbs.

Why can't the feds ever write anything in plain English?

 

Under the federal guidelines, registration weight has nothing to do with it anymore. The vehicle's gross vehicle weight rating is the determining factor.

 

You have confused everyon, because you are posting one thing then saying another.

Wrong again. You could have a 24,000 lbs truck towing a 9000 lbs trailer. Combination is over 26,001 lbs BUT THE TRAILER IS UNDER 10,001 LBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO CLASS A CDL IS REQUIRED.

Again Wrong. If you do not have a clue, do not post innaccurate information as it is gospel. You could have a 65,000 lbs dump truck pulling a 10,000 lbs trailer. Guess what ..................you only need a Class B CDL. Combination weight only comes into play when the combination is over 26,001 lbs and the trailer is 10,001 lbs or more. Then and then d you need a CLASS A CDL. Let's take the example I just used. 65,000 lbs dump truck pulling a 10,200 lbs trailer. CLASS A CDL REQUIRED.

This is not that complicated as you are making it.

 

Thanks for the input diesel bear and I do respect your input, well a certain Florida diesel bear had written quite a few tickets down here. I was a recipient of one until I showed the judge a few mistakes and was dropped due to technicalities the judge found.

Want to know the crazy part? I have a Class A and my truck and my buddies trailer paper work was all in order, the officer had never seen a large pickup with Virginia commercial tags and wrote the ticket wrong. He was pretty upset and the judge was pretty nice, it was a mess of paperwork.

 

He makes it look so.....simple