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COILS: Chains+straps or just chains?

Discussion in 'Flatbed Trucking Forum' started by -insert name-, Jul 14, 2012.

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The Admiral Heavy Load Member

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I totally agree with you.

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OVER SECURE EVERY THING IS THE WAY TO GO...specially FOR ALL IDITS OUT THERE,,DONT WANT YOUR LOAD MOVING ...(defensive driving) AS FOR THE RUSH JOB CAUSE OF THE LINE BEHIND YOU..THROW 2 ON,FINSH UP OUT OF THE WAY...AS FOR THE OTHER ##*H***'S..THAT WANT TO RUSH U..PUT THEM IN THERE PLACE...SOME OF THESE GUYS LOST RESPECT FOR THE LOAD..& HOW EASY IT IS FOR THESE CHAINS TO SNAP...WORST PART IS THE WAITTING GAME...

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DrtyDiesel said: ↑

20k lbs coil, then go off driving and braking like a maniac.
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Agreed, I can't tell how hard my brakes are on with this truck... the "ABRK APP PSI" gauge doesn't work. Random guess.

2 20k pound coils loaded shotgun.

Lazy guy: use straps. Pros: Quick securement, quick pack up. Cons: ...it can and will slide out from under the straps, that tarp won't do much to stop it.

Me: 2 horseshoe, 2 crosses, 2 straps + timbers and friction mats.

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-insert name- said: ↑

Agreed, I can't tell how hard my brakes are on with this truck... the "ABRK APP PSI" gauge doesn't work. Random guess.

2 20k pound coils loaded shotgun.

Lazy guy: use straps. Pros: Quick securement, quick pack up. Cons: ...it can and will slide out from under the straps, that tarp won't do much to stop it.

Me: 2 horseshoe, 2 crosses, 2 straps + timbers and friction mats.
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YUP!

you do your coils how i do mine as far as big ones shotgun style. 2 horse shoe, 2 x, and 2 straps. I usually use one strap per 10k lbs of coil, 2 strap minimum.

DrtyDiesel, Aug 25, 2012

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I forgot my pros.

PROS: I won't kill/get killed.

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I forgot my pros.

PROS: I won't kill/get killed.
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Thats the most important part!

DrtyDiesel, Aug 25, 2012

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DrtyDiesel said: ↑

Id rather do too much instead of too little.

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Then try the correct amount.....? For some reason you guys think that if you don't over secure it, its under secured... thats not the case.

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Yes, you can buy overweight permits for a single piece load. It MUST be one single piece of freight on the truck. With my 37,000 pound empty weight, I can do up to 43,000 without an overweight permit. Anything over 43,000 pounds, up to about 53,000 pounds, I need a permit. Beyond that, I can't haul it as I cannot axle it out to meet the parameters of the permits.
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This depends on the state you are in. Ohio is completely different.

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The whole point is to hold the coil down into the coil racks and 4X4's,not pull the coil ahead and backwards. In the old days before all this securement enforcement we would put 2 chains on a 50K coil. Very rarely did you see any iron on the street. I mean if the only way you feel safe and secure is to put 8 chains and 3 straps on a coil then so be it. In my opinion there's a difference between respecting what's on the deck and fearing it. Pay attention to what the old timers are doing and don't be afraid to ask questions. Take the cotton out of your ears and insert it in your mouth.
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I think I just wanted to Thank this post again.? Most of these guys have no clue what it takes to actually move a coil.

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Unfortunately, Admiral, unless those chains were at least 1/2" Grade 80 or above capable of 12,000 lbs WLL value, they won't meet the required WLL values to restrain a 50,000 lb coil load by 1/2 its weight as required by § 393.106(d) What are the general requirements for securing articles of cargo?

Just because we didn't hear about things as easily in the "old days", Admiral, doesn't mean they weren't happening. Proper securement wouldn't have been an issue if everyone was doing it properly to begin with, but sometime back when these regulations were written, someone obviously wasn't doing it right, hence they made the proper minimum official.
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You missed the point, but I think The Admiral summed it up pretty good below.

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Well i disagree. The government created a good portion of their own problem by subsidizing Co's that trained inexperienced people to become drivers. They flooded the market and concentrated on teaching people to pass the test as opposed to educating on the nuts and bolts of the trade. And i was not using 1/2",i was using 5/16",not legal,but no mishaps either. P.S. all that can not be attributed to luck. Most of the guys i worked with did it the same way. Some used 5/16,some 3/8,no one used 1/2" back in the 70's & 80's. At that time the PUCO,MPSC,In. State Police were not interested in the size and or capacity of chain. Only the guys from out West used nylon straps at that time. I ran Ca. in the 70's and no one between Oh. and Ca. cared what you were using for chain or how many. Indiana's only deal they looked for was a chain every 10'. My opinion is the iron that winds up on the street is much more due to driver error than securment. In other words individuals may have a CDL but they can not drive.
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Thanks again! If these new guys wouldn't always be a day late and a dollar short they wouldn't have to be in such a hurry and we probably wouldn't have all these stupid laws.

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I perfer shotgun with 4 chains. 2 chains cris crossing through center and 2 chains horse shoe on each side with a strap over the top with a piece of carpet as a edge pertector.maybe 2 straps over top depending on weight. the more chains and straps the less attention you will get from DOT

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CAT scaled my empty weight.

WOW, Light weight... I have a Benson 53 footer all aluminium being tugged by a 07 9400i with aluminium replacing metal/steel where possible.

16,965 without me in the cab.

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I agree to a point with the Admiral, Ive seen older and new drivers make the same mistakes #1 is rushing the job and taking shortcuts Ive seen coils leave the shippers with only 2 straps across the top or just 2 chains horse shoe around the edges. Ive seen coils come off trl in Birmingham Al, Memphis Tn, Gary In. too many times due to carelesness. I alsoagree with the fact that you can over do it, over lapping chains to the point you have no room for the binders is too many chains. I for 1 will not move a coil without a mimunium 4 chains but thats just me

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