Completely empty, headed to residence, on PC

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  1. Timin770

    Timin770 Road Train Member

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    got empty in Charlotte, went off duty/PC for the ride home to Stone Mountain GA (about a four hour ride). DOT at GA scale says that's too long to be on PC. He was nice about it and let me continue but what is the time limit?
     
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  3. Corn-Fed

    Corn-Fed Light Load Member

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    I hate to say this because I don't know for certain its true but I believe the time limit is 2 hours. Simplest explanation is officers discretion.
     
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    One officer might say 30 mins, another might say 2 hours.

    Where did you read about the two hour limit? I've never heard about that
     
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    There's no distance or time limit in America, unless your company imposes it on you.
     
  6. ZVar

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    Two distances are mentioned in the guidance.
    1. Closest available after getting kicked out of shipper/reciever.
    2. "Reasonable" distance from lodging to restaurant/entertainment.

    Obviously neither of these count. That said, 4 hour or 20 minutes that run wss not a valid use of PC anyway. DOT sees going home after unloading as a continuation of the trip, so under dispatch. I don't agree, but I'm not DOT. This doesn't fall under the to/from terminal to house usage as the reciever isn't the terminal.

    From: Personal Conveyance: Frequently Asked Questions | FMCSA
    May a driver, who drops his or her last load at a receiver’s facility use personal conveyance to return to their normal work location (i.e. home or terminal?)

    No. Returning home or to the terminal from a dispatched trip is a continuation of the trip, and therefore cannot be considered personal conveyance.
     
  7. Corn-Fed

    Corn-Fed Light Load Member

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    Then I was wrong. Ive always been told by all the megas that the regs say 2 hours. That said I did just do a quick thumb through on pc and can't find any regs saying how long it can be used.
     
  8. Timin770

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    Therein lies the problem: Thousands of different officers get to determine what is "reasonable" or "valid". They spent all of this time and money to account for every minute, but they left a huge gaping hole open for interpretation. Typical government clusterf
     
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    I would've been real tempted to look him over and tell him that you think his hair is too long. Tell him to prove it!

    It's risky to question a cop, especially DOT for us but I've never heard of this. I would not get myself in to this though if I didn't have to. Were you out of clock? If not, why PC? If you were headed home for an open ended reset then just stay on duty if you have the time.

    I use PC when I need to but I also keep a mental record of how much PC will jump out on my logs if/when I get audited.
     
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    You should always be carrying negotiating tools
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  11. Timin770

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    You're going off on a tangent. Let's stay on topic. The question is 'who gets to decide what is too much PC?'

    If the answer is 'its up to the thousands of officers', then thats fine. I just want the real, documented answer. So far I have rolled snake eyes trying to get a credible answer
     
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