Continuous Driving

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by KANSAS TRANSIT, Jul 15, 2013.

  1. MNdriver

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    You think I haven't been in the same position?

    I was questioned why I only flag them. I asked nicely for the regulation that showed I MUST show 15 minutes. We then got into a nice discussion about how long it REALLY takes to do a proper inspection.

    He was just fine with me after that.

    It's HOW you approach it. Sometimes you realize you can have a conversation, so you have the conversation. Other times, you realize it's best to just sit, smile and nod.

    But NEVER just roll over.
     
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  3. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    I guess that I will now start a thread called "Pre-Trip 15 min." and maybe I can steer that one to continuous driving. :biggrin_25523:
     
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  4. MNdriver

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    It's as easy to defend with any number of trucks.

    So long as YOU have a policy and adhere to it religiously.
     
  5. MNdriver

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    People have been trying to figure out continuous driving since HOS came into being.

    You either are on-duty (either driving or not) 8.75 hour and have continuous hours, or you realize that sometimes you'd have a 5 hour day letting you work more the next.

    It's always been a drivers balancing act. Has been since I started driving in 1990. Hasn't changed 20 some years later either.

    The rest of it is just people ####### with the system and putting THEIR spin on what needs to be done.
     
  6. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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  7. MNdriver

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    Seriously? YOU started the topic......


    You are also requiring them to burn up 30 minutes a day ON-DUTY for a pre and post trip. That leaves them 15 minutes to show for fuel. Leaving them EXACTLY 8 hours to complete their driving ONLY.

    Now, add in traffic delays, loading and unloading.

    Yop, they are really going to make ground driving.
     
  8. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    Please re-read your answer, "continuous hours" which I take to mean, running them all together without a break, as in your statement,

    You either are on-duty (either driving or not) 8.75 hour and have continuous hours, or you realize that sometimes you'd have a 5 hour day letting you work more the next.


    As opposed to, "continuous driving days" which of course I meant to mean, no days off. That being 8 days 8.75 per day.

    That is why I asked what you meant.
     
  9. MNdriver

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    so let's break this down.

    The new HOS says you can't have 8 continuous hours since last sleeper berth or off-duty time.

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=395.3
    Emphasis is mine
    That means, he starts his pretrip at 7 am (just a time I grabbed). At 7:15 AM (Because YOU require him to log a pretrip), he starts to drive. NO LATER than 3 PM that day, your driver HAS to show the start of a 30 minute break.
    (Good luck finding anything in the interpretation on that part too.)http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regu...fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=395.3&guidence=Y

    So, should they just stop driving now at 8 hours on-duty time for the day? or should they go on? They've only driven 7 3/4 hours so far. At best, that's 500 miles if they get on the big road and can set the cruise at 65 mph and leave it. Even less if they stop for a rest break, slow for a scale, traffic etc. They still have 3/4 of an hour. 15 minutes of that for fueling and 15 of that for a post-trip.

    All if that want to run continuously and not have to take a reset or have hours constantly for a recap.
     
  10. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    OK, now we are getting somewhere, my scenario, driver starts his day (clock) at 7 am, does the pre-trip that I,ME, MY COMPANY requires, which puts him on the road at 7:15am he drives for 4hrs which puts him at lunch,(11:15am) he takes an hour lunch and is back on the road at 12:15pm.

    At this point he has been on "the clock" for a total of 5hrs and 15 mins. BUT he has already had his PTI in (15min in the morning) already has his lunch, AND his mandatory 30min break in, (lunch and break together) also he has in 4hrs of driving.

    He then drives another 1.5 hrs and stops for a call of nature after lunch, let's say it was a bigun, 30 minutes, it is now 2:15pm he jumps back in the truck and drives for another 2.75 hrs which puts him parked at the TS fueling his truck and doing his PoTI at 5:00pm with his day complete, including his post trip and fuel at 5:15pm.

    IF I am correct this gives him this breakdown,

    Total hours in the day, from start of clock till end of clock, 10.25hrs.

    Total hrs, on duty, working and driving, 8.75hrs

    Total hrs driving, 8.25hrs

    Total miles for the day, 8.25 x 60mph= 495 miles per day.

    Whatever time you would spend loading/unloading would of course come directly out of your driving hrs for that day. You would never need a reset, never breach your 11/14 clock and your 30min mandatory break becomes non-existent.

    Total for week, 495 x 7 = 3465 miles (obviously some miles will be lost on days loading and unloading, BUT some miles would be picked up if averaging more than 60mph, we are closer to 65.

    As far as I can see, we have meant all of the criteria to run without a reset and/or running out of hrs on any given day.

    Comments welcome,

    Thanks Stan
     
  11. Bayle

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    All of that is if the stops are exactly at those points. There are tons of truck stops all over, however, they aren't a mile apart at every exit, and depending on location/time of day maybe full.
     
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