CSA 2010: The data

"The driver, however only gets points if the accident was preventable."

Not so true. My co-worker got points for being involved in a DOT injury accident.

Car hit cow, car hit His trailer, car then hit pickup. Driver got 33 points. Nothing He could do to prevent being involved. Just driving on the highway.

 

I beg to differ with you. Below is a paragraph from the CSA2010 website.

Will CSA 2010 assign safety ratings to individual CMV drivers? I heard that CSA 2010 is designed to rate CMV drivers and to put many of them out of work this summer.


No. Under CSA 2010, individual CMV drivers will not be assigned safety ratings or Safety Fitness Determinations (SFDs). Consistent with the current safety rating regulations (49 CFR part 385), individual drivers who operate independently as a “motor carrier” (i.e. have their own USDOT number, operating authority, and insurance) will continue to be rated as a motor carrier, as they are today, following an onsite investigation at their place of business. CSA 2010 will also provide enhanced tools for Safety Investigators (SIs) to identify drivers with safety performance problems during motor carrier investigations. As a result, motor carriers and drivers will have the opportunity to correct the specific safety performance problems. CSA 2010 is designed to meet one overriding objective: to increase safety on the Nation’s roads. Therefore, it is, by design, a positive program for drivers and carriers with strong safety performance records Also, it will send a strong message that drivers and carriers with poor safety performance histories need to improve.

 

I get what you mean but why are there point values attached to every possible violation?and why do they have this fancy system to keep a record of all these driv ers and their violations if itwont be used agaisnt us in the future somehow???

 

What is gonna happen Dave is the FMCSA has now given companies a way to rate their drivers and told them if you have too many drivers with high scores then your gonna be under a microscope because your copmay score will be too high. So what is gonna happen is the co's and insurance companies are gonna be the ones to score you and fire you and then FMCSA can say we didn't you put you out of a job your employer did.

 

OSH is correct. Although technically, the FMCSA will rate the drivers for points also. The only difference is that only the current company you work for, at the time you receive points, while in their employ, can see you score. And they only get to see it if they are under investigation by FMCSA.

That is the moment that you become a casualty, if you have a bad safety score. Because, a carrier that is under investigation is going to have to submit a plan to the gov't. that shows how they are going to become safe. You can bet that one of the ways is going to be to fire bad drivers.

The reason for this is new hires start out fresh with NO points against the hiring company. It is only the points that they accumulate while employed by company X that go against company X.

When they are no longer employed by company X, a percentage (1/24) of points that they earned will roll off each month, for 2 years.

So this will be a valuable tool that the carrier will use to lower their points.

Now when CSA2010 goes into full effect, the feds are going to go back 24 months worth of safety data and assign driver scores against their current carriers for whatever length of employment you had with the current carrier up to 24 months.

That is when the FMCSA will score all the carriers, and start enforcement action against the really bad ones. This is going to be when the shat hits the fan for unsafe drivers who work for these unsafe companies.

So to sum it all up, let's look at the hiring process for a carrier in Jan 2011: A seasoned driver applies to Com X. Com X pulls The Pre Employment Screening Program (PSP) report on said driver. This report does not give a point score, what it does show is DOT reportable crashes for the last 5 years, and the results of any vehicle inspections or driver DOT violations in the last 3 years.

Now if drivers PSP is clean he gets hired ASAP. If it is questionable then each carrier is going to have its own hiring policies in place. Because once it hires said driver than any safety points said driver collects while employed by Com X, goes against Com X's safety rating.

This is the reason that everybody is predicating that a driver shortage is going to occur next year. Companies are not going to want to employ drivers with bad PSP's. And when a carrier gets investigated by the FMCSA, they will see the scores that their drivers have and you can beat the higher scored drivers are going to get fired!

 

Which is exactly what I have been saying all along!
The goobermint isn't going to take away your job or ability to earn a living, that would be cruel and unusual punishment and therefore unconstitutional!
They are circumventing the legalities of this issue by empowering the insurance industry (and we all know what a bunch of soulless crooks they are! ) to do the dirty work for them!

And the point of this whole crooked, complicated, and convoluted scheme you ask???
To force experienced drivers out of the business and into early retirement, thereby artificially creating a "driver shortage". Then the goobermint has to "solve the greatest transportation problem we've ever seen" by opening the borders to our Mexican brothers (yuck! Boo! Hiss!) and thereby ensuring that driver pay continues to stay in the toilet!!!

This is just one way to accomplish this goal. Stricter idle laws and emmission regs are causing drivers and many companies to just throw in the towel!
Don't forget the ever increasing medical card hoops they are forcibly shoving up our arse! BMI,sleep apnea, possibly psychological testing (ok some of us might really have problems passing those tests.)
All of this is designed to keep driver pay lower, and force smaller companies and independents out, and bring better profit to the big company!

Trucking is becoming such a craqqy job that it wont take long before it will become one of those jobs thatonly immigrants will do because no American wants to do it anymore! Just like picking produce, construction, janitorial work etc...

I hope I am wrong, but if you are observant and honest you can easily see who is the biggest growing group of new steering wheel holders???

 

cant do that. GPS would prove what happened.

 

Requiring 80 or less points ( psp) for employment. What I didn't see was a marked increase in wage or salary and in fact.....

He wanted a heavy haul driver...... with good experience......and was paying ( hold it ! ) 20% ! and it gets better !!!! He'll even give you a 1099 and you get to take care of your taxes !!!!

What a deal !

 

And so it starts.I'm sure everyone here who is all excited about csa2010 getting rid of the "bad" drivers are very pleased with this.

 

I wonder if the rail industry lobbyists are involved in this. It is quite obvious that in the future only people with spotless records (no arrests/convictions at all) will be eligible to drive trucks, and any issues with the truck, CD or OO will be assessed to the driver, eventually leading to NO drivers available.

*Puts on tin foil hat and runs for cover, mumbling something about Area-51 ....*