CSA question

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  1. Rocks

    Rocks Road Train Member

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    I can't understand either.... why "driver fatigue"?
     
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  3. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    How about "points" ?

    Simple enough, each violation comes with it's own "score/points" that are factored into a companies SMS.

    Here's a couple of links to put this puppy to rest.

    http://www.jjkeller.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/content____csa-faq_10151_-1_10551

    http://www.carrier411.com/csa2010.cfm

    http://csa.fmcsa.dot.gov/about/basics.aspx

    Continued driver violations at a carrier, will have a direct impact on their SMS. So the points obtained during inspection, WILL have an impact in the long run.

    If corrective measures are not taken.

    Don't ignore the points, just because you think it doesn't matter, or think it's a myth.
     
  4. Rocks

    Rocks Road Train Member

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    WOW!
    Thank you very much for the info! :biggrin_25514:
     
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  5. Starline

    Starline Medium Load Member

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    I found what your talking about and your only half correct... what your talking about is point effecting the "Company"... not the operator

    I have it pdf format, but the site won't let me upload it.
    However I did find this site that explains the difference between Carrier & Driver scores
    http://www.whatiscsa.com/driver/

    I have found a link that will upload a excel file that will give a complete list of ALL the violations / points
    http://www.drivertraction.com/csa_points.xlsx


    Hope this clarifies things...
     
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  6. Jseney12078

    Jseney12078 Light Load Member

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    thanks again starline, it's very difficult to keep up with this topic due to the constant changes, In Landline magazine I'm reading that there will be another change comming, lol amazing isn't it????
     
  7. Starline

    Starline Medium Load Member

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    Yes there is going to be a change, but a good change like separating HM violations from securement and better defining logging. Like missing manifest # has nothing to do with a driver being fatigued...
     
  8. EZX1100

    EZX1100 Road Train Member

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    yeah, csa is great

    the only place where a not wearing a seatbelt is more unsafe than following too close
     
  9. chalupa

    chalupa Road Train Member

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    And YES! Major shippers especially in chemicals are using the "score" "points" "percentile" to hire / fire carriers and pressure rates down. Trust me!

    We were denied new business because of this........ irony is, carrier did nothing, does nothing....... the same drivers are still allowed to run without hazmat, med cards in posesion etc.

    Guess he figures it just gonna go away, dunno, it's carrier mgmt. , no tellin what their thinking...if at all.
     
  10. allan5oh

    allan5oh Road Train Member

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    No there is no such thing as "points". There is severity weight. I still have no idea where people got the word points from. It doesn't exist in the methodology.

    http://csa2010.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/smsmethodology.pdf

    In regards to the original post, according to the methodology that FMCSA has published there are several factors in play here. First because you have less than three "relevant inspections" (level 1,2,3,6) you will not be assessed a score. The violation will show up on your CSA page however. Here's exactly what it would look like:

    https://ai.fmcsa.dot.gov/SMS/Data/carrier.aspx?enc=tu9lyCbTVo0sDDPQE7AhzQ==

    and

    https://ai.fmcsa.dot.gov/SMS/Data/BASICs.aspx?enc=tu9lyCbTVo3gYESL38dtog==

    So we see the violation, but there's no score.

    Here's what to do:

    1) Do a DataQ challenge. Probably won't work, but it's free and worth a shot.

    2) Try to avoid inspections if at all possible. This is only to keep you below 3 "relevant inspections". As soon as you hit three, because you have a violation, you want more clean inspections to bring the score down.

    3) Be legal! Avoid violations as much as possible.

    So say we get up to those 3 "relevant inspections" in the next 6 months. Both other inspections are clean. I'm going to assume your current violation has a severity weight of 8+2 (2 for OOS).

    The math works out like this:

    Sum of severity weight X time weight of violations

    Divided by

    Sum of time weight of relevant inspections (including clean ones)

    Which translates to:

    10 X 3 + 0 + 0 = 30

    Divided by:

    3 + 3 + 3 = 9

    Your score would be 3.33333 which would probably place you pretty high. I couldn't find a graph for the group you would be in, so it's impossible to determine what percentile you'd be in.
     
  11. EZX1100

    EZX1100 Road Train Member

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    after all of that, they should just pass out a wig, high heel shoes and fish net stockings, because you is being pimped

    next thing you know, they want us to roll over and play dead
     
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