Cummins INSITE from eBay.

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by slavcha, Dec 28, 2013.

  1. GrapeApe

    GrapeApe Road Train Member

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    The keygen you have is all over the internet, there are plenty of forums for stuff like that, they like to keep it legit here.
    7.6.x expired and has no support, any legit subscription stopped working over a year ago and was upgraded to 8.0. It's outdated, you can no longer do calibration updates with it. You can't use the latest version of update manager, it requires 8.0 or higher. Don't even bother wasting time with the update manager anyway, just download the current FIS files that you need, https://insite.cummins.com/FIS/FIS_EN.html
     
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  3. samjward

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    I would never do calibration updates using INSITE (incal). Calterm is used even by Cummins employees, incal is very limiting even at the highest service level. Update manager works fine as long as you have it up to date. Insite 7.6.x works fine with even today's brand new engines. I don't understand where you are coming from. 7.6.x --> 8.2.0 are just a few bug fixes and small new features that can be changed in Calterm.
     
  4. GrapeApe

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    Calterm is even used my Cummins employees? Well, it's engineering level software that was never intended to be used by the general public anyway. Cummins are the only ones who are supposed to use it. As far as updating calibrations, Calterm does the EXACT same thing as Insite, it loads a factory calibration to the ECM. We're not talking about modifying calibrations, or even changing to a different one. You don't need an Incal subscription to update current calibrations to the newest version. You're comparing apples to oranges. Instite updates calibrations the exact some way that Calterm does. This isn't a place to discuss tuning, so I'm done talking about Calterm. There's plenty of other forums to talk about that.

    You are grossly simplifying the differences. These "bug fixes" are pretty important for good diagnostics. Quite a few changes is the way many diagnostic tests are run and there are a few new tests and logging features that you don't have. The longer you have that old version, the worse it gets. This is very true with many DPF and SCR system tests. Just because it looks the same doesn't mean that it works the same. I'm guessing that you don't work on "brand new" engines, lots of changes is 2017.

    You can use what ever you want, it doesn't affect me at all. But when you offer licenses to other people, they should know that it is illegal and outdated. It could also void warranty on a newer engine. Your Pro license is worthless, you can't do anything over a Basic level anymore. I guess you could flash outdated flash file with it, but that's about it. Not worth saving a few hundred bucks a year to use cracked, old software.
     
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  5. LGarrison

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    he knows engines not spelling
     
  6. samjward

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    I didn't want to argue, I was just trying to help someone who may need it. Also, the schema (XML) for the ECM diagnostic tests in version 7.6.2 are the same exact as 8.2.0. There are 3 new tests that aren't in the 7.6.x. Now this depends on the engines as each one is different, however, the ones I've tested, there aren't many differences. As far as the tests themselves, they are the same as the commands sent over the RP are the same, I've checked. I'm not undermining legal versions as I have a PRO version that I have a subscription through Cummins for. For the majority of truckers on the road, they just need to clear codes, and set max speed for legal reasons and any version of INSITE will do just that.
     
  7. GrapeApe

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    So can the legal and free PowerSpec.

    As far as tests being exactly the same, any test that cuts power to cylinders has changed. This includes Cylinder performance test, cylinder cut-out test and accelerator based cylinder cut-out. Not only did they change how the test was performed, they change how the data was analysed. 7.6 was notorious for flagging the opposite cylinder as suspect. The tests had to be run several times to verify which cylinder. I have had no such issues with 8.2.

    From a cost standpoint, Cummins is the most reasonable for their software. PowerSpec, DESA, Quickserve and the Fault Advisor app are all free. Insite is affordable and worth the price even for 1 truck. Just no good reason to used old cracked software. If it were Cat, I'd shut up. ET is way overpriced and Cat knows it, they purposely made it too expensive for typical OO's to want it and bring their trucks to dealers. They even screw their own dealers on the subscriptions.
     
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  8. samjward

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    You are right about the cylinder tests but they were fixed in SP1 which is the version I'm referring to. Also, the data sent to the ECM is the same, however you are correct about how INSITE analyzes the information. It's different, however from 7.6.2 SP1 or SP2, the problems you mentioned were fixed already by then. Also as far as cracked and KG software, both are available for 8.2.0. They were released by Sultan and zyNoT a bit back. These manufacturers are thieves at the end of the day. These aftertreatment, SCR, and EGR systems are theft for the small time trucker. Diagnostic tools should be free IMO. Now, I understand where you are coming from and I'm not saying it's better to use cracked software or perform illegal acts, however I do believe Cummins should release INSITE for free without INCAL. That's just my opinion though.
     
  9. samjward

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    Also PowerSpec is old and outdated. Only compatible with 2013 engines and below.

    Also, you need a PowerSpec license to make any changes including but not limited to clearing MIL.
     
  10. TruckerPete1990

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    I will say this about the Ebay PoS one... It kept disconnecting while i was trying to save a ECM setting.. I was lucky my truck still ran... I had to get the truck ECM reflashed...
     
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  11. samjward

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    I think that would be due to the hardware connection and not the software itself. I use an official NEXIQ LINK 2 to connect to trucks, never use the Chinese made ones.
     
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