D12 no start

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  1. Damage

    Damage Light Load Member

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    Hey all we have a D12 in the shop here that was towed in. Driver reported it started smoking, and the engine started running rough. He pulled over and the engine died. It has under 600,000 miles on it. Here is what we have come up with. We ran the compression test on VCADS. According to VCADS 1,2,3,6 have no compression. We really havent used VCADS in the past to run compression tests. Is it an accurate test? No odd noises coming from the engine when cranking. No pressure or smoke coming from the crankcase as we crank it either. Sounds to me like bent valves. Anyone seen this on this type of engine before? Valve cover is off. Dont see anything out of the ordinary up there. Inspected the gears down as far as I could see, all of the gears look to be in good condition. Lastly, it has not had any recent valve adjustments or anything like that. Any guesses on cause of something like this? Thanks!
     
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  3. windsmith

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    If you really have no compression in those four cylinders, then it should sound abnormal when cranking.
     
  4. Damage

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    I may have not made my statement completly clear. There is no metal on metal or any type of metallic noises when cranking. BUT if we are trying to start it, it will hit on a couple cylinders then spin then hit again. Kind of like it is lacking fuel. If we are cranking the engine but not trying to start it(pulling ecm fuses, or doing a cylinder compression test) the RPM of the engine spinning changes. It seems like its slowing down only on the two cyulinders making compression and then speeding up on the ones that arent.
     
  5. windsmith

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    That certainly does sound like a valve train issue. If the gears all appear to be in good shape and are turning, the only other thing I could think of would be a broken camshaft.
     
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    I know it is such a uncommon problem. I had the same thought. But the camshaft seems fine. Its just ashame. We take great pride in keeping our stuff in good running order. Then something like this happens. And it seems like such a rare failure.
     
  7. windsmith

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    That would be a rare failure. Is it possible that a foreign object somehow introduced itself into one of the cylinders and was jammed between the piston and a valve?

    I'm not too familiar with the inner workings of that particular engine, (I haven't worked on any Volvo engines other than the mechanical (TA)MD series marine engines) but on most you can remove the valve covers and visually observe whether all of the valves are operating while the engine is cranking. Even if the camshaft is not broken, it's possible that the cam drive gear has moved with relation to the camshaft itself and altered the valve timing. Although if this was the case I'd expect that the compression problems would be constantly changing as you crank the engine and the gear continues to move with relation to the camshaft.
     
  8. Pablo-UA

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    I'd run mechanical pressure test before pulling head. Seems to me no correct lash and toasted valves
     
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    The problem is that for mechanical compression test you have to pull injectors out, make adapter.... but if engine cranks the wrong way like pss - miss - miss- pssh... remove the head
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  10. windsmith

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    Might be easier to just remove the intake or exhaust manifold and use a borescope to inspect the valves and seats? The question then would be, what caused the burned valves?
     
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    Pablo - It is cranking over the way like you said.

    As for watching the cam/rocker/valve operation with the valve cover off, we did that already. From up top everything seems to be running fine.

    There hasnt been any valve lash adjustments done on it. So I am a bit stumped as to what would cause this failure.
     
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