Ddec III cruise troubleshooting

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by ExiledEngineer, Jun 10, 2020.

  1. Bean Jr.

    Bean Jr. Road Train Member

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    Ok, 2 things. One could be the brake pressure switch. Mine was faulty and occassionally the cruise wouldn't work. But the Jake wouldn't either.

    Another issue could be in the ECM. Mine does the exact same thing now. Fast idle works, but cruise doesn't. The ECM went bad and the new one was not able to be flashed from the old. Detroit set the parameters as it was delivered from the factory. They, Interstate Power Systems told me the fan settings and the cruise control are set by Kenworth. Perhaps yours has been replaced. If you are near Effingham, The Diesel Doctor says he knows what to do to get it to work.
     
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  3. blairandgretchen

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    I fully recommend DCS - Fernando - for Detroit ECM. He gets into them and test benched them.

    E-ham D.Doc is just a laptop guy, and not a mechanic. Ok for parameter changes, but doesn’t understand Diesel engines.

    Not bashing, just from what I’ve learned so far.
     
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  4. Bean Jr.

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    I agree. In my situation it is strictly parameters.
     
  5. pushbroom

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    On detroits you can enable/disable cruise but only using DDRS not DDDL.

    From what it sounds like your park brake doesn't change function but everything else works.
    Park brake should be an air switch rh side on the steering column. If you have opti idle park brake circuit also goes through neutral safety and hood tilt switch.

    If it revs up idiling it must see park brake as "on". Get it to read the opposite then take it for a spin.

    If the engine sees a ground on the park circuit that counts as parked. Open circuit is not parked.
     
  6. blairandgretchen

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    I knew you could explain it better.
     
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  7. ExiledEngineer

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    Thank you. Lifted input wire from that switch and status did not change. Switch showed closed with no air. I see it is h2 on the ecm plug, so i will check it and see if i have a wire broken.

    And ground that terminal on the ecm plug and see if the status changes.
     
  8. pushbroom

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    There may be 2 or 3 park brake switches by the steering column. One for daytime running lights, one for fan on with park brake, and one for ddec signal
     
  9. ExiledEngineer

    ExiledEngineer Bobtail Member

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    Thank you all for your help, it worked my last trip, I haven’t figured exactly what it was, either operator error or a bad park brake switch.

    Thank you for suggesting park brake switch, even if not in troubleshooting guide, so I disconnected that, and the cruise worked once i turned it off and back on. Will try it again with switch reconnected to see if it was operator error or switch.

    Resource for older detroits: Fitzgerald manuals https://www.fitzgeraldgliderkits.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/owners-manual.pdf

    it says among other things, cruise must be turned on to work, if already on, must be turned off first. I thought i tried that long ago, but had some other issues then also, and those may have blocked it.

    Also found detroit troubleshooting guide at

    DDEC III/IV Single ECM Troubleshooting - Section 10.7 Cruise Control Inoperative | Detroit Diesel Engine Troubleshooting
     
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