DDEC2 problems...missing and falling over iteself for 15 seconds.

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  1. Jdenney321

    Jdenney321 Bobtail Member

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    Hey, looks like a load of info on this site so I appreciate any help I can get.

    So I have a 93 kenworth t800 with a 12.7 ddec2 60 series detroit. Ole girl has been a great truck and engine...until last Wednesday.

    I had just replaces some brake shoes and other repairs on my tag axle. When I got done I fired the truck up to make sure there was no air leaks or anything.

    Turned the key and it started but was missing and falling over its self for about 15 seconds then it leveled out and came to a nice high idle. I just thought maybe it was just a fluke or something.

    I started it again later, and it was running very rough again and kept missing and bucking and acting crazy.

    So long story short its totally non drivable now. I have lost thousands of dollars in missed hauls, and I'm desperate for any info because it seems like the ddec2 has absolutely zero info online.

    I have checked the fuel system, checked for bad grounds. And checked the batteries. Weird thing is when you turn the key to the on position the check engine light and stop engine light come on for just a few seconds then go off (like they should if I'm not mistaken) but once it goes to its warm up high idle stage, it will run for a minute or so, then randomly the 2 lights will flicker and it misses and acts crazy. Almost as if you turned the key off then instantly back on and the high idle cycle starts all over. Because if left running for 10 minutes or so it will never exit the high idle mode.


    I just joined today, so I'm new to this whole forum thing. So if there is any suggestions in editing, or forum etiquette that I am unaware of please let me know, thanks and I welcome any suggestions to get this money pit back on the road.
     
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  3. BoxCarKidd

    BoxCarKidd Road Train Member

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    Sounds like the ECM to me however I would want a scanner on it. Better yet a good test ECM but you probably will not find one of those.
    Had an 11.1 ECM do some odd stuff similar to that.
    Have you learned how to read flash codes?
     
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  4. lwlevens

    lwlevens Medium Load Member

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    When I read the flickering lights I also thought the ECM or ECM ground wire. Like boxcar said put a scanner on it.
     
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  5. Jdenney321

    Jdenney321 Bobtail Member

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    Well here's the problem, it's a 93 truck, with an 01 cab, checked it all with the dmv before I bought the truck, I guess something happened to the cab and they replaced it. With that they did a crap job of hooking everything back up, so the data link has 1 wire running to it. Last few trucks I have had I used the cruise control to check codes, but this one has the same problem, cruise control hasn't worked since I bought it. So it doesn't let me pull flash codes that way. I read somewhere today that you use the engine override switch to pull codes not sure if that's true, but if it is, then same problem, nothing is wired to the switch
     
  6. Jdenney321

    Jdenney321 Bobtail Member

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    However I also thing it's a power/ground problem to the ecm. Because its like the ecm is losing power constantly. But j don't know which wire is the power/ground
     
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  7. lwlevens

    lwlevens Medium Load Member

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  8. Inderjit

    Inderjit Heavy Load Member

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    There should be two fuses in the battery box in plastic fuse holders they are ECM power.
    Check all the connections in the battery box both power and ground.
    Make sure all the power and ground connection at the starter and block are good.
    Behind the ECM on the wiring harnesses coming out the ECM there is a plastic "T"
    in the harness. It was notorious for wearing through the wires. Detroit diesel sent
    out a bulletin telling us to remove it and inspect the wires. The "T" would wear
    through the copper wire eventually.
     
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  9. Jdenney321

    Jdenney321 Bobtail Member

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    Ok, I'm going to go work on it tomorrow morning, I'll check out all the ideas and see what I can find, thanks!
     
  10. Jdenney321

    Jdenney321 Bobtail Member

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    On those 2 fuses in the battery box. One tested good. The other one, I pulled the fuse out and i have 12v on one leg. And 9.8v on the other, shouldn't that be 0v? Otherwise that defeats the purpose of a fuse wouldn't it?
     
  11. Inderjit

    Inderjit Heavy Load Member

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    Should be 12 volts on both sides if the fuse is good. You may have found the problem.
     
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