Detention discussion

Potential 6 hours free daily wait time and automatics are the main culprits of me leaving the big trucks.

I make far far more doing a couple trips a week in a boxtruck. Not quite that ups union money but pretty darn close and drive half the hours.

 

ok let's look at 2013/2014 numbers for revenue. http://www.logisticsmgmt.com/images/LM1604_SuppTop50Trucking3_chart2highres.jpg

I see quite a few oo/I companies there. Keep trying with the marketshare bs. I find this to be quite fun.

now it's sad I have to state this, shippers are private entities. Truck companies that say they give detention when the shipper pays do that. Otherwise they would be facing lawsuits. Look at OOIDAS's lawsuit page to see just that in play. Since most if not all the megas have lease/oo then ooida would get involved. That they have not speaks for itself. if your company advertises detention and you never get it, when drivers from other companies do, at the same shipper...QUIT YOUR CRYING AND MOVE COMPANIES.

I know for a fact Prime pays, go work there.

 

Read and listen buddy! I said ATA's numbers that MysticHZ attempted to get me with are off. Their a lobbing group, they get paid money to lie. And, rather then dig through their data I used the numbers MysticHZ agrees with to prove what a market force 13 mega-crap companies are.

Now you want to play gotcha too. Great we your your numbers, which I well aware of, and the revenue of the largest 13 truckload companies exceeds the size of the industry, so good job making a point there. You prove me right. Again, failure on your part for playing gotcha.

We can keep playing gotcha BS, you will keep loosing, but no one here will care. The OP has a point to be made. Lets honor that.

And they should be treated as such and pay their workers and contractors fairly like any other business.

They all advertise detention. Few pay it. Whether the shipper pays the trucking company is not the issue to the driver. Drivers contract is with the trucking company not the shipper. Pretty simple business principle to understand. Work on it.

That #### is on those "private entities". Once again a simple concept to understand.

OOIDA is simply a lobbing group that pails in size to the ATA. They have no pull in the individual contracts that O/O sign with brokers and shippers.

You have no clue what it takes too do a lawsuit so lets just keep it at that, and go on with the discussion at hand.

Again, listen and read. You didn't here me crying, that was you big boy. This is a discussion on a operating principle of a industry, you read nothing personal from me, so don't interject your made up BS. Your on the loosing end of this argument, have no clue, and grasping at straws. But since you mention it, I get paid by the hour, every hour I work or wait, with overtime. That is the way it should be.

Prime might be "good" enough for you, I prefer a more professional organization.

 

Is the $50 or $60 dollar number is an estimate you read somewhere? I don't think it is what you consider a weekly lost in your business due to detention. But let me explain, the free work given to mega-crap trucking companies is worth so much more than that $50 the lobbing groups put out in the trade rags.

If you look at the averages at most mega-crap companies that compete in the freight market. Now, no one else operation may not work like this but your all in direct or indirect competition with companies that do, so it affects your bottom line even if your in a specialized market that never touches a pallet. The average CPM driver at a mega runs 1700-1800 miles a week with 400 mile runs. That my not be your business but that is the bread and butter your competition makes money off of. So, each driver does 4.5 runs a week and donates 4 hours time unpaid per a load before detention kicks in. So 4.5 x 4 = 18 unpaid hours of detention before paid detention is supposed to kick in. If you assume the base wage that you can get a driver in a truck is $15 you have 18 x $15 = $270 of unpaid work donated to the company before the paid detention even is supposed to kick in! What about if a driver gets detained an average of 4-6 hours between the load and unload at each run: [ 4.5runs x (4hours + 5hours) ] x 15 = $607.5 a week. That is a significant chunk of change for any driver working at a mega that gets donated for free more often then not.

Now what market force does that have. Take that $607.5 x 1.3 to equate to company cost to pay that amount in payroll. Thats about $790 dollars in free labor from the companies standpoint. The cost to just one of the 13 megas say Swift would be $790 x 22,346 drivers = $17,655,340. You think that 17.7 million would not be missed by just one company? It is obvious all the trucking companies would put pressure on the shippers to minimize detention if all the driver's time was paid.