Difference in 13 speeds?

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  1. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    I think that the older transmission is an RT or an RTO, and the newer transmission will be RTLO or some other prefix.

    Part of the difference is that the RT had straight cut gears, and the newer Transmissions have helical cut gears.

    I think that is why on the RTO Transmissions you can hear them whine.

    I think that is also why you can feel for the gears much better on the older Transmissions.
     
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  3. mile marker 27

    mile marker 27 Road Train Member

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    You did but I still got some questions and posted some pics of all the lines on the back of the transmission. Go back and check out the thread I started on it and you can see where I was at, when I disassembled the shifter. I’ve asked other folks about it and they have no clue and their answer is, “if there’s nothing wrong with the newer style, why switch”? Some folks don’t get it. I appreciate all your help.
     
  4. SmallPackage

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    Thats just the way they were when the 9513’s came out than somewhere but not exactly sure on what later series they redigned the valves to keep us on our toes and have to relearn.
     
  5. SmallPackage

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    There was 2 different threads going on with that topic at the same time. I posted a picture of a handwritten instruction on yellow legal paper of what we did to make it work. I thought i did it on yours but maybe not.
     
  6. mile marker 27

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    You did and here’s what I got on my existing shift knob;
    P=black
    SP=blue
    S=red
    H/L=green
    E=brown(not used & no line)
    As you posted my knob has; E, R, F, & S. Which color goes to each? I’m assuming S(red) is supply and H/L(green) is for R(range) on the old style? SP(blue) is F on the old style? Have no idea what “P(black)” is for?
    Here’s some pics of the lines on the back of my transmission there’s definitely more than two back there so just to clarify for me.
     
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  7. SmallPackage

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    Im thinking
    P= black is probably the one you cap/plug off. If it is the extra supply line it is not needed with the old knob.
    Sp= Blue is splitter
    S= red is supply
    H/L= green is the range.
    E= brown is the exhaust. Not used.
    If it does not work like this after you swap the big hoses on the rear box try capping the green line putting the black one in its place on the knob.
     
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  8. SmallPackage

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    E044C005-3C5F-4ED4-BBCB-3A8C271BCB48.jpeg On the hoses on the back off trans on the range slave you leave them alone on the supply valve on the top/side of trans and swap them on the slave on the box in your pic.
    This is my 125-13. Just to illustrate the ones you wanna swap.Its a Different style valve but this should give you the idea of location.
     
  9. mile marker 27

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    So is R the splitter and F the range? On the pics I posted of the back of trans
     
  10. SmallPackage

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    Yes. On old style knob.
     
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  11. SmallPackage

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    2C536435-E1D5-42FB-91E3-8408AE8B604F.jpeg This cylinder you dont mess with. Just hook that little line coming from top to the R on the old style knob. It is the splitter.
     
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