Do chains make it a wide load?

if a guy sticks out 1 1/2 inches and scrubs your tool box. don't you think he's a little too close to begin with.

i highly doubt any driver is gonna come that close to you. that's your paranoya.

and my w9 is wider then my 102 inch trailer. by about 2 inches on each side. throw in my mirrors and that's wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy over 102.

 

I don't know where you get your info from snowwy but you are wrong! Legal width is 102" and yes you can load a 96" wide trailer and have freight hanging over the rub rails PROVIDING that the overall width doesn't exceed 102".

 

Road tractors are not wider then trailers, they aren't even 102" wide. Measured across the back of the sleeper, most are about 90", including K-Dubs.

 

Took a little searching, as it is in 23CFR, not our normal 49CFR.
http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/658-excluded-measurement-length-width-19725665
and
http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/658-16-exclusions-from-length-width-19725647

 

Thanks for the links, Autocar. That said, after reading the linked sections I hate to rain on the parade, but those regulations apply to non-cargo carrying components, ie. Tarping system on flatbed as long as the front wall isn't also used as the restraining structure required by 393.106 (headerboard requirement of which binders, chains etc are also part of)

658.5 Definitions which defines terms used in the 658 section specifically defines what it considers to be "width-exclusive devices" which is as follows:

So again, as you'll note, what is excluded is what doesn't carry cargo. Binders, dunnage, etc.. are all devices used to carry/secure cargo and are not excluded by that section.

I will say thank you though, as that section of CFR has completely escaped my view as you mentioned, it's not something we typically deal with...which means I have more reading to do. So thanks for the extra work.

 

Actually, you are reading that wrong. Chains, binders, and straps do not CARRY cargo, they SECURE the cargo. Trailers, and vehicles are what CARRIES the cargo. They are reffering to a trailer being over 102" wide (minus the exclusion for tarping systems) so if you have a 118" wide trailer (like the windmill tower trailers) it is considered OVERSIZE even when empty, hence why they run with lights, flags and escorts when empty as well.

A chain or binder does not make a load oversize.

 

You are correct, Sir.

 

Common sence. A load binder isn't part of the load. 3" wouldn't make that big of a deal. If you have youre lights flags etc etc in place I don't think a load binder will make a differance. Unless someone hits the load binder on it's own.