Do you feel elogs should be mandatory or optional?
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by EZX1100, Oct 23, 2012.
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Tranny comes into play when drivers that can't legally fill out a paper log book are the ones needing a mandate forcing Auto shift tranny's so they don't have to multi task. The world of trucking is getting to hard for the new crop of steering wheel holders.
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§395.3 covers "property carrying" motor carriers.
§393.5 covers "passenger carrying" motor carriers.
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Wow, I didn't know that.
I drove an auto for a couple weeks. I'm glad I'm back in a stick shift. As long as I have the option I will always have a manual trans truck.
Ethan -
EZ...
So: What does my time behind the wheel matter. Is it because I'm not as experienced as someone like yourself, so my opinion matters less?
No. You're not haughty at all... LOL
How about gross tonnage hauled. - Oh. I know. It's because 'I haven't payed my dues yet'.
I bust my butt doing my job day in and day out... same as everyone else.
And I will follow the rules (yes that means even doing my pre/post-trips) EVERY DAY because it is the right thing to do according to the law.
I'm a noob. And I'll be the first to admit that I don't know even a little of something. 'But' even I can see the writing on the wall and from doing a little bit of digging around, even I can see why gov't would want us to have these things.
It's cause and effect.
If you want to consider yourself an 'outlaw' then knock yourself out.
Congrats. You're a bad-boy.
I was raised that right was right and wrong wasn't...
-Should they be mandatory... I don't see how they 'aren't' going to be. -
Because they can't force the smaller guys to buy new trucks. Simple thinking really. Unless they pay a big chunk for the smaller guys to update to meet there mandate then it will never happen.
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We'll just borrow 5 billion dollars from China to fund new trucks

too political? Sorry, seemed hilarious in my mind.volvodriver01 Thanks this. -
no, its not that your opinion matters less
its that your opinion is based upon company propaganda designed to protect the company and not you, and you dont seee that
"legal" changes years after year, someone just posted how what the mandate for truck drivers is more stringent than pilots and bus drivers (i dont know)
so if "legal" was all that correct, it would not change, but its political, not logical so for any driver to tout "legal" is doing himself and the industry an injustice
let me ask you a question, how much more unsafe is a driver who slept 9 hours than a driver who slept 10 hrs?48Packard Thanks this. -
I agree. Keep in mind that there's no mandate that a driver actually SLEEP during their 10 hour break. None. Just that they have 10 hours off duty.
HOS is broken, and needs to be scrapped completely.
The current HOS system forces me to drive tired. That's right, at times I'm forced to drive while tired in order to stay legal and still meet my appointment times. There are many times that I would benefit from a 2-3 hour nap, but taking that time would mean that my 14 would run out, or that my 10 hour break would not be complete before I had to deliver. and I'd have to sit for 8-10 hours to be legal again, causing me to deliver late. -
...which is why I preferred the OLD rules. The 15 hour rule only counted your time on lines 3 & 4, so if you wanted to stop & have a sit-down meal while you waited for rush-hour to pass before you drove through the next city, it didn't affect your ability to make it as far up the road as you needed to. Under the CURRENT rules, you grab a sandwich at whatever fast food joint is at the truck stop and eat behind the wheel while fighting your way through traffic because the 14 hour clock is ticking and you've got to go. Splitting the sleeper USED to be able to be done using any combination of breaks exceeding a minimum of 2 hours....2+6, 3+5, 4+4....even when the "new" rules first came out, you could split however you wanted....2+8, 3+7, 4+6, 5+5....but some government bureaucrat with ZERO experience in this industry thought a 2+8 split should be the only one allowed, so the rules were changed again. We didn't have the 34 hour reset...which is the ONLY thing I like about these new rules. I could even get by going back to 10 hours of driving, even though the 11 gives me a little more range while still allowing me to get back home....so that one really is a tossup.
Fact of the matter is, though, the OLD rules gave the driver more freedom to drive when he's awake and rest when he's tired while still getting the freight where it needed to go on time. These new rules try to DICTATE when a driver ought to be awake to drive and when that driver should be tired to rest....and it is only getting worse. Next summer, the NEW changes take effect...forcing a 30 minute "off duty" break part way through your day and mandating 2 overnight periods in order to get that 34 hour restart. In other words, if I decide to take a day off during the week, I lose the ability to use Saturday as a make-up day, because I start my day long before that overnight period ends...so in order to have 2 of them and get my restart, I'll have to be off Friday night & Saturday night because I leave out Monday morning before that overnight period ends. If you believe that what is "legal" is "safe", and what is "illegal" is also "unsafe"....what exactly is it that makes a "safe" activity on June 30, 2013 suddenly become "unsafe" when the calendar changes to July 1?DrtyDiesel, dirthaller and TruckerSue Thank this.
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