Does a 10/3 split extend 14hrs?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Scream'n Hauler, Oct 11, 2022.

  1. Lennythedriver

    Lennythedriver Road Train Member

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    You’re correct, but to me a common person, it just seems foolish. Think about it, you’re a driver you’ve been out all week you get to go home but you need to use a split to do it. You get back to the yard and you literally cannot get in your car and go home you have to sit there in the sleeper berth for seven or eight hours.
     
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  3. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    You actually weren't in violation until you started driving. You could have been off duty for a month, then did your seven hours in the sleeper when you came back and been legal. Though your eld might not recognize it. The whole thing is stupid, but any change they may come up with will probably be worse.
     
  4. Scream'n Hauler

    Scream'n Hauler Light Load Member

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    Alright let’s get this sorted.

    Here’s my general thesis: When the mandatory 8hr/30min break was changed (in Sept 2020 I believe) so that now your 8hr drive time is paused until a proper break occurs, the language in the regs from this change also included qualifying split sleeper breaks. With the only stipulation being that it has to “pair” with another qualifying break before, or after the 14hr work shift being paused. Consider the current language:
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    Further clarification…
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    …so, I went to the FMCSA logging tool and compared some scenarios. See the two different examples of the previous day before a day with a paused 14hr work shift using the split rules. Note that there is no qualifying break afterwards.

    First scenario violation occurs:

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    Day 2
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    Highlighting the Day 1 entry and the Day 2 violation
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    Here’s the second scenario where the violation does not occur. Note that only the 10 hours on the previous day is the only change:

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    Day 2
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    And here’s the highlighting of the Day 1 entry and no violation occurring at all now.
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    This is what has recently caused me to change my understanding of the split sleeper rule and the “glitch” of having to log into the sleeper instead of being able to just start a 34hr break.

    Does this change your understanding as well? Please reply below and check this logging tool to confirm any scenarios that might provide more understanding. Thanks

    ELD - Educational Tool for Hours of Service
     
  5. DRTDEVL

    DRTDEVL Road Train Member

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    You should be able to edit your off-duty time and split it in half on the first full day off. Select "certify" then "edit" then select that first full day's "Off Duty" and split it. That will make half off duty and half off duty. You can re-designate one of the off-duty periods to sleeper and then certify before driving. This fulfills the prophecy of the way the rule is written.

    Technically not legit, but the way the rule is written isn't, either.
     
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  6. Grouch

    Grouch Road Train Member

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    My "old" brain cannot absorb all this, too complicated and eventually in trying to extend the 14 rule, I would get into trouble. So! I will stick with the 14/11 and then 10 off, very simple.
     
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